2023.1 so far is working as expected on my end.

I tried Universal Importer and did not have much success, at least with the models I tried which was a rather complex one (see the model in my original post). One of the problems I have encountered with the dae files/models I have tried to import was missing faces. I think the solution for me is to find an alternative source/sources to the 3D Warehouse since I can no longer download skp files from there.

@joe wood said: That fixed it, thanks for that Gus! And everyone else, for the hand holding! Happy to help.

@dave r said: In your example, since you haven't really drawn the rafters, you could scale the roof to change the pitch. I made a group of all of the roof lines and, at one end I drew in a couple of guides with the Protractor with the desired roof pitch. I used 4:12 in this case. Then just scale the group down to the intersection. Probably you would want to divide up the roof into seperate groups so you could scale the narrower section individually. Click on the picture if it doesn't animate immediately. [attachment=0:y9rjs0cs]<!-- ia0 -->roof.gif<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:y9rjs0cs] I drew it that way to get a total LFT of rafter lengths. Your example is exactly what I'm trying to do. I had tried scale before and did not get the desired results. Surely user error. Will have another go at it. Thanks for that animation ... that's great.

Hard to tell what caused it. I did a site plan which was just a quick tracing of an existing site plan and then made the mistake of plotting a PDF in perspective instead of parallel projection and the whole thing was off. A slight perspective view might throw things off. Any little object with a positive or negative z value. I use flatten.lsp in Autocad to flatten all line work most of the time. This is especially useful when you're drawing over a survey with topography that can be thousands of feet above the ground plane. Even a 3D door will do the same when snapping lines. I'm still old school with Autocad using what's basically a modern version of Autocad 15 and 20 years old. Works great. Non-planar faces in Sketchup can also create a mess.

@unknownuser said: objects moved to another tag are not staying there. That's a very weird one. I've never seen that reported before.

you could open the SU program directory at: C;\Program Files\SketchUp\SketchUp 202#\ and delete the sub-directories "\LayOut" and "\StyleBuilder". Don't be surprised if glitches may happen.

Thanks guys for the assist.

Well now I am getting this with the trays. And trying to turn on and off layers, unresponsive. I ran as administrator and just did a repair and still... [image: d122_2023Trays.JPG]

Sorted, thanks Dave

@unknownuser said: Your suggestion to reset the model axes seemed like it would be helpful, it at least sounded like it could be the solution. However, the option to reset the axes is greyed out; I presume they are then already in their default state. I did write, "If the model axes have been shifted ..." Since you haven't shared the SketchUp file there's no way I could know whether you had moved the axes or not. @unknownuser said: There's two sets of coordinate systems at play. One is the photomatch - pair of red and green dashed lines, red and green vanishing points, the yellow horizon and the yellow Origin point. The other is the model, or 3D space, with red, green and yellow axes, meeting at their own Zero point. Not really. When you are setting up the image for Match Photo you are setting up the camera to match the lens used to make the photo and aligning the image to the model axes. I have no way to identify how you got it shifted. I guess I will leave you to it.

With ThruPaint, use the Natural UV mode, not the QuadMesh UV mode. Your shape is not based on a quad mesh.

As of today, I can no longer download files from the 3D warehouse in 2020 format. I now have to download dae files and convert them.

SketchUp Make should still run on Windows 11 at least for now. No idea what will happen to Windows in the future. Keep in mind the embedded web connection hasn't been getting security updates for a few years in Windows 10 and hasn't had any in Windows 11 so there could be security issues. Keeping the computer disconnected from the web would help. SketchUp Pro can save back as far as V3.

Good idee Thank you really much

thank you for the reply. yes, zoom exte se save the day. still annoying though. I didn't have this trouble for 20 years of using SU.