@box said:
You could fire a shotgun in that private tower and not hit a thing. It's not some club where all the cool guys hang out.
A premium membership is really just formalised forum sponsorship. It means you are happy to help the forum survive financially and as such the forum gives you back some freebies and discounts on stuff. There is access to private consulting rooms, which is just what they sound like, a place where you can talk and share with specific people because you are limited by non disclosure or other professional restrictions.
Premium membership isn't about taking stuff way from people, it's about adding value on top. There are many benefits to being a premium member, but nobody is missing out on any sort of discussion that would benefit from the addition of the general public. Threads in the premium forum are usually along the lines of, how do I renew my membership or some such.
@tig said:
@Hal
SCF is free to use, but does cost money to keep it running.
This is primarily got from the paymments from advertisers and premium memberships.
And for this modest consideration both get something in return - the former get their products brought to the attention of relevant SketchUp users, the later get free or discounted SCF Shop items and additional forums where they can receive more involved advice - but frankly, the advice that is always given freely on the open forums is, more often than not, adequate to all members' needs...
Premium Members effectively choose to 'sponsor' SCF with a few dollars a m
@box said:
specific people because you are limited by non disclosure or other professional restrictions.
Premium membership isn't about taking stuff way from people, it's about adding value on top. There are many benefits to being a premium member, but nobody is missing out on any sort of discussion that would benefit from the addition of the general public. Threads in the premium forum are usually along the lines of, how do I renew my membership or some such.
onth, and for that they know that they help SCF to survive.
There are some 'fringe-benefits' of having a Premium membership, but it is NOT some 'exclusive dining-club' where the members 'feast', whilst the rest of you 'plebs' get the table-scraps in the gutter ! The principal benefit is that by becoming a Premium Member your help SCF to thrive...
When have you ever felt unfairly disadvantaged as a non-premium member ?
I would bet that no one has ever said to you, "Sorry, we can't answer that question unless you are a premium member..." !
The 'More Info'/'Feedback' changeover has only just started in the last week or two to redirect the 'More Info' button link on the PluginStore page entry or equivalent dialog listing, to a page that is specific to each Plugin - this has consistently presented information etc to help memebers understand the capabilities and use of each Plugin; in turn, this page has a button called 'Feedback' that links to the forum-post that relates to that Plugin: this is where you can comment, read others advice etc. New or updated Plugins will automatically have this new dedicated page created: however there are many hundreds of Plugins, and therefore there are some older ones that are currently 'unconverted' and are without a dedicated page of their own, and these will therefore still link their 'More Info' button directly to their principal forum-thread [usually the first post]. Over time this should change and all Plugins ought to end up with their own dedicated page, and the 'Feedback' button will then apply to all for accessing the Plugins thread. There has been some internal-SCF debate about what the 'Feedback' button should say, so we welcome your feedback [ ] - it can't logically say 'More Info' because it was by clicking on a link using that name that brought the user to this page in the first place: but instead of 'Feedback' it could say 'Posts', 'Thread', 'Main-Thread' 'Forum-Page', 'SCF-Thread', 'SCF-Posts' etc - would anyone else like to chip in on this with comments ?
All of the pages etc discussed above are free to you, as a valued member of SCF [irrespective of you membership-type], the 'private consultation' pages in the Premium section are just that, the other pages contain general housekeeping questions and responses, the only thing you missed out on recently, by deciding not to have Premium Memebership, was the beta-testing of the new PluginStore software, which Premium Members helped with [thank-you!] - but if you think about that, they actually paid money and then they did additional work to help make SCF better, with no reward other than knowing that SCF was helped... but I can assure you that there will be nothing there that disadvantages the 'hoi poloi'... so please have a little, understanding, humanity and just be thankful...
Hi Box, Tig,
Please understand that I did not mean to be harsh or offensive, and I have no criticism on your ways. I am very thankful for these forums and for the hard working people behind them.
I guess the plugin store did come up as a surprise to me. But I can completely understand why you would want to develop such a plugin in a closed forum - keeps things more tidy and under control.
I think it is up to each individual do decide how he contributes. I contribute with my experience, knowledge and time, suggesting ideas and giving solutions. And time = money. Maybe not the kind that will keep your forum up and running, but that's what forums are all about.
Your explanations for why and what the premium membership is all about, are very good and convincing. I am very glad to hear that it is all about "adding value on top".
So please, no hard feelings.
Keep up the good work! and Cheers to you all!