Thanks for the tips guys! Big help.

Ken,

Check your PMs.

I have not watched the tutorials mentioned here, but there is another valid solution perhaps?

http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=323&t=38637&p=341462#p341462

Create hatched lines in Sketchup and hide outlined edges.

@sfto1 said:

@bmike said:

I render in vector, so the back edges don't show.
I will test tomorrow, to make sure I remember the behavior correctly.

I have in the past dimensioned with a style that had back edges on, then we t back to SketchUp before rendering and simply updated the scene with back edges off. IIRC it worked pretty well.

Eureka!!! ☀

Thank you Mike, Krisidious, DaveR and Sonder for the time you took to point me towards a fix.

In SU, I created a style with the back edges on. Then in LO, I applied that style to the viewport (from the "in model" styles tab in LO) and then rendered the view as Hybrid, and also as Vector. Both rendering options resulted in being able to snap to "endpoints" which was elusive any other way and the back edges did not render.

This is still a work-around in my mind, but it is simpler than adding lines and tick marks on the model for LO to reference later.

Please SU/LO team, fix or change dimensioning so orthographic views will behave like 2D.

I think it is more how the surfaces and geometry in SU interact. If a line passes in front of another, they don't really cross, so generating that point requires a projection from the view you are in...

HI Jim:

If you don't know the original size of the viewport, then no you can't recreate it. If you do know the original size, it would be as simple as unchecking preserver scale, and re-rendering the scene.

As an example, for details I use a detail grid that fits 12 details on a 24x36 sheet. The grid is a layer that I can turn on to size the viewport. This way I always have consistent control over the SU view.

What I described above is exactly how LO works. Knowing this, you should be able to predict and control your work.

So your steps do illustrate how LO behaves, but it is reversable as long as you know the original size of the viewport. If you are preserving scale, the size of the viewport is irrelevant, because you will expand the viewport to show the whole image. The image will maintain its scale. The only time LO images will change size, is if you do not check preserve scale and resize the viewport.

Understanding how this works should really make things simple to get your desired result.

Thank you - DaveR, Richard, pbacot & Nick.

I will try both Richard's & DaveR's workarounds

Trimble: Perhaps you might consider some improvements to dimensioning 3D views in 'Layout'.

Thank you once again for your generous help.

Regards,
Penguin2

@richard said:

@bmike said:

If you still have slowdown - I would make Richard's idea even simpler - keep 2 folders, but instead of manually re-linking each image, as long as the file names are the same - simply copy-over the original small images that LayOut is reading with the higher resolution images.

Mate the reason for the third folder is to achieve the same thing but to not overwrite and lose either the lower res or higher res images. Again what I do is keep one folder with hi res, one with low res and then the third folder being the one LO reads and to here is where one alternates between high and low res images - again named commonly.

Sounded like you were manually re-linking all the images. But yes, 3 works just as well, just copy in the resolution you need, and update references in document settings. Wasn't clear when I read it earlier.

TIG. Many thanks for the info.

I am also experiencing this problem working in SketchUp/Layout 2014. I have tried changing the OpenGL setting and it has not solved the issue. I am on a Mac, so I can't update my GPU driver short of upgrading my operating system.

One thing I noticed is that I seem to consistently experience this problem when working in files that I originally created in SketchUp 2013 (last year). I have not seen this happen with files originally created in SketchUp 2014 imported into Layout 2014.

Here are two example screenshots of the problem. In the first view, the rendering mode in Layout is set to "vector." In the second, it is set to "raster." I did not change anything else.

Thanks for any advice anyone can provide!

COROVector_07.jpg
CORORaster_07.jpg

You're welcome...
I'm just happy to help... 😄

(actually the answer was so easy I thought there were something I had misunderstood... 😆)

Thanks..that did it....

@unknownuser said:

I still don't see why they are incapable of printing pdf? Back when I used ACAD, everything was printed from PDF - never used .Tif due to the potential scaling issues. I don't live in a large town either - around 15000 population and our printer gets it right every time. If you get really frustrated, I just bought an in house printer for $2800 that works incredibly well. It can print the pdf's generated from LO in 1 minute full color. It's an HP T790. It's been great so far!

Sonder,
First....thank you for your incredible support/advise/tutorials of the SU Layout module.
An inspiring compilation indeed.

RE: Local Print Shop
I do not understand my local print shops difficulties either....to my (mild) yet vocal frustration, I have not really pressed them on it but to say/demonstrate the omissions/etc.
To which they will "get it right" the second go round.

That said, I normally print off 11"x17"'s of my Arch D's for proofing (BizHub) which of course are just as they should be.
IOW...I rarely print Arch D's for my own consumption............rather leave that for the client/contractor(s) etc. to order.

And of course that is where the problems arise.........the WYSIWYG .pdf......often does not square with the print shops output.

I am running on here........but....end of the day I think we are fast approaching a somewhat paperless document era.........and in my opinion it cannot happen fast enough with respect to the current printing difficulties.
Plus, seeing all the incredible details you have created....would be a real shame to see them printed grey scaled.

All the best,
Charlie

Nick, there are indeed times when I want both entities to be displayed so the current action is fine. I also like that when something is copied and pasted it winds up on the currently active layer. That said there are many times when I do want to hide some entities in a group. The dashed lines I mentioned before is one and in my work there tend to be a lot of them. Dimensions and leader text would also be included. They start on a layer higher in the stack than the SU viewports. I would like to group these entities together but if I do, I cant lock the SU viewport without locking the text or the dashed lines, nor can I hide some of those entities then without hiding them all. I tend to avoid grouping the dashed lines, text and dimensions with viewports because of this behavior.

really nice job!

Hi Red-

The LayOut autosave files are now in a different location: when I run v3.0.16845, the autosave files are placed in /var/folders/x4/q40x3v7d23j7d3vywjt6cb65mkwh3m/T/com.google.LayOut.mdurant/ and each file has a directory name of the form LAYOUT.bG3O7S. Obviously the name of the "q40x3v7d23j7d3vywjt6cb65mkwh3m" folder is likely to be different on your machine!

However, in theory you shouldn't have to manually recover these files from the temporary location - they should appear in the "Recover" tab of the "New File" dialog when you start LayOut. If the "Recover" tab isn't visible (just "New" and "Recent") then LayOut hasn't found any recoverable files. Is this happening to you?

thanks,
Marc

Thanks for your help. Starting with the end in mind and the methodical layer creating tip solved my problem. My model now shows 71 components and 34 layers.

After looking at my model I do think that it was a style update issue. Thank you very much for the help with that one, it was getting quite frustrating.

Well, OK, you could do that.

If you have SketchUp views in your LO project, you have at least one SKP file in the LO file.

Screen shots please?

Did you create a scene with the section cut in SU? Did you update the style to include the section cut?

See also:

http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=46361