@redinhawaii said: I decided to redo specifically the framing plan, with a new, less detailed SU model, i.e no plumbing fixtures etc. So I went in to the document setup and clicked "relink", referenced the new model, and wow, the new framing plan fit in seamlessly. But all hell broke loose when I looked at the elevations, sections,etc.... dang, everything changed... OK, why bother to do a new SU model for this rather than simply adding a new scene in the original model and setting it up to show less detail?

How about simply deleting the specific view and making a new one and linking in the new model? If it's just the one or two places it won't take more than a couple of minutes.

We've found two instances of extra slow rendering with vector, and I'll point out one and we're working on fixing the other. If your view in LayOut only has a tiny bit of geometry, but yet there's a large (geographic area of model not shown), you do render all of the model and it can be slow. Dave R helped us find this, and we're looking at how this happens but no workaround other than to have you move items that aren't geolocated closer to each other, or possibly do them in separate models and include all of them in LayOut separately. An edge issue in vector, which we're testing fixes for, that can cause some models. A user in our Google support forums provided us a test file which we were able to analyze. We'll keep you posted on how this goes and if it helps. Unlike raster images, the vectors aren't cached and are re-rendered, so even without these issues, you still may get slow rendering. We are currently working on making updates to models be less painful when updated in LayOut. b

@jhauswirth said: Does the white line show up when printing from the PDF viewer? No it doesn't. So I'm guessing export to pdf is the answer. Or getting the printer guys out! Suppose this is a good workaround, albeit adding a few extra seconds to the workfklow and a few more megabytes to the project folder. Thanks your your comments and help, really appreciate it.

I'm exporting Hybrids Vector/Raster from layout and I get a good file when I export, the textures come through in the form of a large png file, however when I try to XRef these exports into other drawings I'm getting a "Failed to Merge ISM Image Dictionaries" error. at which point only vectors come in and I'm forced to separately import the graphics and scale and attach them as best I can... has anyone else run into this? I looked it up online and found only one post at Autodesk saying the error was caused by a full temp folder or low system resources., but that was not the case for me. anyone ran into this?

Can you PM a file to me and I'll take a look? Inferences show up? If you get an inference, then it should go to model space. b

Hi, Thank you so much to both of you! It was indeed a matter of style update I guess... I had to re-apply my color by layer style in Layout after the import. Thank you so much for replying so quickly! It's a GREAT community!

Regarding Country Blueprint, can you verify that the font you downloaded has the right to embed? We've had customers who get a font and think they're good, but if the font isn't licensed properly (to allow export), it wont work. b

Please post a LayOut file for us to look at or send it to me in a PM.

Cheers!

@unknownuser said: I can't figure out what isn't working as expected, but, I too, also have difficulties with getting the dwg/dxf exports to work in the readers. I have no access to Autocad, but I know that the dwgs I sent to a local engineer was exhibiting weirdness in his autocad. Text was coming in as hatching blocks was the most annoying, and finally not solved, issue. I kind of gave up and did no further experimenting chuck, following barry's suggestions, I changed my LO pages to vector mode and exported them to model space. it worked fine, with minor text problems. if you like, send me your exported dwgs and I will open them with acad.

if you are printing a3 pdf try creating your document in layout at A1 size

I helped Bill out via e-mail, and we're getting this a lot, so please consider: What's the intent of exporting to AutoCAD? If it's for someone to take the drawings / geometry and redo the documents in 2D in AutoCAD, then: Vector render all of your model views. Render in model space to appropriate scaling (on the menu when you export). Open in AutoCAD or TrueView and look at model space - it's black lines on black background, so sometimes switching to Layout 1 view (paper space) will help you see what's there. Definitely export to 2007 if he's 2008. You should be able to test a 2D export that's vector rendered to model space SketchUp. SketchUp however wont render any text and a few other things, and will not handle a model exported to paper space. You'll also notice it's just vectors, and if you want to make it 3D, you'll have to complete faces. Trying to guess where you want faces from edges is left to the mindreaders.

A couple of notes on dimensioning / labeling, and connections (things that stick to models or images): You cannot make a connection where the item your dimensioning / labeling OR the dimension / label is on a shared layer. We found this to be a source of crashes (and those of you who've sent me corrupt files, a lot of times this is what I was fixing in your files, what could have been a result of this). In LayOut 3, if you do this, save and close your file and open it back up, the connection will be broken. If your dimension is on a shared layer, it will NOT get model space measurements (only paper space measurements) in addition to not sticking to the model. One of you asked me offline "how do I even get shared layers?" Our templates put them in there, so you can create borders and page stylings on every page. You can also create them by clicking on the icon in the Layers panel that toggles between one piece of paper and a stack of papers (items on this layer on one page OR on every page). We like to make things simple and subtle, but sometimes the subtlety needs a bit of explanation. b

I did that the first few times with no success... tried it again, and lo and behold....success. Yipeeeee Big thank you Bjanzen.....

Something like a "field" in AutoCad or Word in combination of a set of user-configurable file properties would be nice to have, especially for the recurring information that is now put on an "On every page" layer. Anssi

What Gai said, and no, you can select all models on a page and change their rendering. But on a huge document, not all pages are necessarily in memory, and we would have to load them and re-render them. This would also be a very, very slow operation. Nevertheless, I agree with you and would like to have this ability. b

All. And since we can't comment about future releases, I think you know the answer to that question without my intervention. b

Yea, but what isn't slow. In a previous life I wrote software for Service Bureaus (RIPs, large format printing), and when you're doing big jobs like this, it's slow. We're trying to make it look easy, but it's not. b

No, thank-you ... anything I can pass on is going to help make more sense of the separation in the tools and the "why" behind it. Just fact finding and trying to make double sure I know what is really happening... you know what they say, "measure twice, cut once" Best, Jason.