Hi Elisei,

hey hey!! You don't give up so easily
-) Allright I was a bit modest with the lines I was scaling. What you do certainly works well.

I put at the end My last "R" (in french "l'air de la plage": a pretty bad wordgame hi!) in which I have hardly scale, redraw, modify the outlines.

-) I prefer rather than you, doing all this job on the same plane before elevate and skin process.

@unknownuser said:

.i didn t subdivide the top and letter together because as u can see when u subdivide them together the top becomes messy

-)Messy, yes it is , but I don't understand you because:
1-with hidden geometry off, the look is perfect without any seam line remaining.
2-when I subdivide independantly the top, this one doesn't fit exactly well.



3-I haven't found one method which give not a "messy result".
4-the subivision is enough to use SketchyFFD pretty well.

Enough of the "G" Here is the "R"

.

++simon

A last try for another method using Terrain Reshape and afterward Randomize TIN

The idea: apply the process on a very low shape and scale it after. I'm starting from the offseted and skined shape from Elisei. The result is not bad but S&S do very better. Its job isn't really for that kind of thing.

I still follow what was Planned:



The result is beautiful but far from what I expect. I keep it in mind...

Slideshow

Re I shall update with a link as soon as I shall have made a tutorial with this

I think: End of the topic!!! Thanks to all

Simon

C'est fin, sensible, beau. On a envie d'y vivre!!

Magnifique Chère Tinanne

PS: Is it really made with SketchUp ???

simon

Ok Elisei, you seem to be occupied. I can't wait you to follow my idea. (It would be great and friendly if you would give us a little step by step further explanation)

I start from your shape.

I need to subdivide the top of the letter. I'm using SandBox tool: from contour.

Now using SkechyFFD to put some irregularity to the letter (I glue the bottom points)

(Note this other try with modeler from SandBox Tools.)

Finally, with a ShapeBender treatment:

not to bad for me

Slideshow
___
[Plugin] SketchyFFD by CPhillips
[Plugin] Shape Bender by Chris Fullmer

simon.

Hi SCF people,

I Have made for myself a study upon various possibilities to subdivide a face and to make it a moutain land or a beach. May be this can interest someone else?

Following your remarks:Front post UPDATED 14 of July
-15 of July: added- associated tools.
-31 of July: added- DrapeTool tip.

Subdivision and Modeling:

-SketchUp's SandBox Tools.
-Didier Bur _ Terrain Reshaper
-Dale Martens _ SubdivideAndSmooth
-Josef Leibinger _ Soap Skin & Bubble

-Jim Foltz _ Randomize TIN
-BTM _ Sculpt Tools

-( Associated tools
-BTM _ Point Merger tools : repair, simplify, work on meshes
-Fredo6 _ FredoScale And/Or CPhillips _ SketchyFFD : scale, twist, bend, deform finely the relief.

TerrainSubdivided_V1.skp: 7,43MB
TerrainSubdivided_V1.2A.skp
TerrainSubdivided_V1.2B.skp

From-Contours modeling Spirit:

-SandBox: From Contours
-Rick Wilson _ CurveStitcher
-Darrel Belvin(ArchitectBoy) _ Skin
-Josef Leibinger _ Soap Skin & Bubble
-[url=http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=19076&st=0&sk=t&sd=a:1kwyzpum]Chris Fullmer _ Simple Loft[/url:1kwyzpum]

-( Associated tools

• [url=http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2008/01/plugin-selection-memory.html:1kwyzpum]Jim Foltz _ Selection Memory[/url:1kwyzpum]: to store a selection of a curve before skin it (and uneasy to select again after) in case of multi curves skin ( )

[url=http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/FromContours_A.jpg:1kwyzpum]

[/url:1kwyzpum]
[url=http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/FromContours_B.jpg:1kwyzpum]

[/url:1kwyzpum]

[url=http://www.divshare.com/download/7902284-537:1kwyzpum]FromContours Spirit.skp[/url:1kwyzpum]

FollowMe modeling Spirit:

-[url=http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=18210&st=0&sk=t&sd=a:1kwyzpum]Chris Fullmer _ Shape Bender[/url:1kwyzpum]
-[url=http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=20065:1kwyzpum]TIG _ extrudeEdgesByEdges[/url:1kwyzpum]

[url=http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/FollowMe_A.jpg:1kwyzpum]

[/url:1kwyzpum]

[url=http://www.divshare.com/download/7902283-565:1kwyzpum]FollowMe Spirit.skp[/url:1kwyzpum]

modeling Tip&Trick:

-Subdivide a curved shape:
the duo: [url=http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=13645:1kwyzpum]Matt666 _ Soften/Unsoften[/url:1kwyzpum] + [url=http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=169956#p169956:1kwyzpum]TIG _ triangulate[/url:1kwyzpum]

[url=http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/SubdivideTips_A.jpg:1kwyzpum]

[/url:1kwyzpum]

-Subdivide a shape with Drape tool from Sandbox Tools:

[url=http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/DrapeTool.jpg:1kwyzpum]

[/url:1kwyzpum]

.../To Be continued

simon

@unknownuser said:

I know I'm gushing like a bliddering idiot but the world needs to know!!!

And the world is listening you Happy new Man!

simon

@ely862me said:

:lol: actually is very simple..

i ll give u 3 hints: offset tool,skin tool and scale tool

Very simple? No I wouldn't say that. In fact I haven't found how to make exactly the good flare I wanted (the same as yours). And I would have please (now I have searched ) more precisions from you on the way you've mastered it.

• A very important thing I have learned here is that: an offset doesn't give the same outer edge than a scale??(really a surprise to me) this is the reason why I was not able to do the right flare using scale tool and FredoScale!!

• No need to redraw all the lines, there is a cleaning module in Skin.rb

A check with S&S

"Very important"

(I have let down momentarily what I had begun whith Gaieus and I will retake it soon.)

simon

Hi ely862me

@unknownuser said:

Take the model as in image 3 or 4 and run Subdivide&Smooth on it..u ll get the desired result

I'm afraid I don't understand the way you think about!
I've tried this time, not the subdivide+smooth operations like before but the modeler operation as i can think you are talking about, and the result is the following, after what i can't go further.

/**

Dear Gaieus,
One more time you're right! I can't say I didn't know what you're talking, about cleaning unwanted geometry. But i thought in this case that it was not necessary to clean because there was no faces joining. As we can see, I was wrong
Adendum about this subject:Creating a Hidden Seam in Google SketchUp by Eric Lay(Boofredlay).

After cleaning:



This time it looks ok



and i'm afraid this is my ultimate best

Updated slideshow

simon

Hey Hey Helisei,

You show too much or you explain not enough
You are waiting I find by myself I suppose. Not a lot of time again for that these next days..

You are right. S&S works well on the letter shape you have redraw.
but:
1_ How did you do to make the base of the letter correctly flared ??
2_ How did you do to redraw all the lines of the letter shape: by hand??

I can see I have still a lot to learn on S&S. This another technic for exemple find me with the tong out of my mouth:Contest Winner: Modelling a Panton Chair with Subdivide and Smooth

Thanks to participate,
simon . . . . . .and theSlideshow(each link is the same updated one)

PS: Your cars are crazy beautiful man

8 of July 2009

Dear Richard,
I'm actually trying to figure out a way to weld two pieces (metal, potery etc,,) together. You seem to practice a valuable way to master it. Unfortunately, pictures are not available anymore.

In hope of reload, simon.

>>13 of July: It's now done. Thanks a lot Richard:thumb:

Dear Elisei,

Here is my (SU6) Skp (I'm sorry not to much organized working one) DivShare File - RoundedLetter.skp

Please take your time because again, some few days not far from a couple of weeks are going to take me away from house (from my PC ). So I'm going to be not very active in this trhead until i'll be back .
...// simon

I follow you dear Gaieus,

I've tried Didier Bur's[Plugin]: Terrain Reshaper you advise to me. After a couple of tests the result promises to be encouraging.

the begining of cleaning.

I must stop here for the moment. I leave the place for a couple of days and be back soon for the continuation of your process..
**s

"Fire-Water Pot": Picture by Picture tutorial:

Step 2:First and second Bending processes.
Due to the stamped font label we want to incluse into the pot, we shall need a brother shape to pierce the pot to the exact dimensions. So every bending operation is followed the same for the two of them.

• No matter the thickness is for the brother one because only the precision of the inside face is important to us. Elsewhere, i unsoft the edges after bending to help for adjustment and mostly to pull after the second bending an extra volume in the inside direction.

• Preparation for the second bending. It is necessary to be very precise at this stage for the second shape weds perfectly the pot. Don't forget edges and faces precision that interess us are the inside ones (faces to the pot). We use the axis of the pot and radii as gauge.
• The exact place for the left-to-right line needed in the bending process must be well understood.

• We now have a good idea for the final label. We have to make some cleaning job with this curved label. Because in the bending operation number of lines appears hide and some others need to be soften. So it is very usefull to work with the very simple and good Matt666's Soften/Unsoften

**/*
simonlebon

Cher Pilou,

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

My PC works hard to make SU running, and I can't even think to run a modeler on it

Are you joking?

unfortunately i am not. When the poly count increase, and we know how it goes up easily whith modeler tools, every operation begin to be painful. I also fight a lot to make screen casts at the same time. Perhaps have I too much rubys installed: i don't know technically the impact.

@unknownuser said:

I have just progs who don't ask too many things to the video card!
Zbrusch, Moi, Su, Blender
PS SU is also a modeler!

To tell the truth i ever been so sure that my PC couldn't that I have never tried to install one of those modeler/renderer. In fact, it is possible i am wrong ! Perhaps i could try MOI which find your great approbation

@unknownuser said:

PS2 What happen when a render is made with there "horrible lines"?

I don't know how eliminate them in SU , and i don't know how a renderer treats them..

**s

@gaieus said:

../ So basically you need the

• complex, rounded shape to start with
• but then put some kind of "slight" irregularity into it like it is achieved with glass when being manufactured?

You are right I hadn't thought things in these two steps but you are right. In fact, as Pilou said also in his way, i need a modeler!
I was searching for a tool or a regular way to do the job without to much effort
I have tried to show what could SoapSkin&Bubble be if it was working with two different ringed curves. If it was the case a lot of new things could be done.
So i have used Skin.rb then a subdivide operation with Subdivide&Smooth and after what a "Bubble" operation whith SketchyFFD.
Ok the result isn't very beautiful but we can see the idea, isn't it?

As you can see with my "G" (from "Gaieus" as well as "Good Old Rum" ) after I smooth it, it still remains the presence of some hidden lines which are not very beautiful.. I don't know what to do with them.

Dear Pilou! I admire the way you take things and work on them! Thanks for all those exemples. Unfortunatly, I havn't the first knowledge of even one modeler. My PC works hard to make SU running, and I can't even think to run a modeler on it (It is planned i get a war-machine nextly)

**simon

Hello Pilou: Tu as bien raison de faire gaffe à la police ici Letter Character is VICTORIAN LET.

Dear Gaieus,
I am always proud to find your interest
**1_**Yes I have tried many things with SS&B and have found direct BugSplat each time (i've tried the same with simpler shapes where everything results ok)
2_ Mercy for your eyes. Each picture but the first one are now clickable. And I additionaly put a Picasa Slideshow at the end of this post which is i mean an easy workable way to visit an explanation.
(Picasa3 + Picasa Web Albums: another Google product which is very handy. The good way is to produce and organize the new album on the pc before send it online.)

Dear Solo,
Glad to meet you. The last time was for my birthday at the beginning of May.
A Video Whaow!!. Thank for that. My last solution is not far from yours: you make for exemple an intermediate smooth operation.
I would like to obtain something more "real"; less squarred. Something perhaps like molten glass.

Dear Alan,
So please to meet you after so long . Hope you feel good and that everything works like a charm. I'm surely going to study your Elefont you are talking about, and I shall tell you.

**/*

I have made a continuation to the last step of my best attempt (with FollowMe Tool), using FredoScale 2.0g (+Shear, Stretch, Bend, Twist)

It is still not what i would like but it is approaching. (The overall process is more and more heavy )

...,and a thickness scale:

What i'm searching would may be also be perfect to figure out the welding between to pieces of metal or another a welding between a Handle to its pot.. It's a Pity that Soap, Skin & Bubble doesn't work between to ringed curves!

Rounded Letter PicasaSlideshow

**simon

Hi everybody,
I need you, you, you! (remember The Blues Brothers).
Someone had surely already found a good solution to round a letter. I would like to do: you know something which looks like a word stamped on a bottle . I have tried several approaches and my best is far from perfection and take a lot of time (write an entire word is a real hard work)

I have tried:

Subdivide and Smooth:

Round Edge - v1.0 (by Bezier)

Soap, Skin & Bubble>> direct BugSplat

As I hadn't found anything simple, I came back on heavy basic solutions:

1_ Try to round by hand:















2_ And the classic FollowMeTool

Here is my best, here i am

simon

[url=http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=20140:105fo055]Didier Bur's [plugin] Projections version 2 UPDATED 03.07.09[/url:105fo055]
[url=http://www.smustard.com/script/MakeFaces:105fo055]Todd Burch's [plugin] MakeFaces v.1.400[/url:105fo055]

HeyHey! SilverShadow:

@unknownuser said:

The ghost returns....
Hi all young and old sketchup users, developers of the new sketchup 7 team,and any other modeler out there that do not really know the true potential power of this amazing tool. Today i want to share the power of sketchup itself, to encourage those who thinks sketchup is just a tool that can only build block models and nothing more.

For my part your intention have simply found the center of the target!! Never thought it was possible to do so real with SU. And also a dreaming beautiful scene.

I have to come back again and again to study your tuts. Bravo et un grand merci pour votre générosité!!

*simon

"Fire-Water Pot": Picture by Picture tutorial:

Step 5: The last pleasure straight line

-Placing our "Good Old Rum" label

• That's it!

You can find the complete Picasa Album and slideshow here:

And the Su6 skipi: DivShare File - ShapeBendD.skp

simonlebon

Hi Chris,
Thanks for you smart word.
I'm afraid you're already imitated in China. The price of success