Quick Comparison -Subd and Artisan

Whaat · 19 Jan 2016, 18:11

plus it retains the material and UV info (haven’t fully tried this though). You will lose all materials in artisan once subdivided.

Just want to clarify a common misconception about Artisan. You CAN retain materials and UVs in Artisan, you just need to enable that feature in 'Settings'. It is not enabled by default because it results in a performance hit.

henyaoi · 23 Jan 2016, 20:05

Hi, everybody. Here's my example with Artisan, texture and UV is retained.

alvis · 23 Jan 2016, 22:15

OK. This is my little experience after several hours. Excellent tool. Sorry for the last image

Rich O Brien · 23 Jan 2016, 23:02

Physically plausible

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alvis · 23 Jan 2016, 23:04

@rich o brien said:

Physically plausible

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pbacot · 23 Jan 2016, 23:14

One grand pig! Very fat. Reminds me, I think something from my childhood. A piggy bank that wagged its tail up and down when the coin was put in.

alvis · 23 Jan 2016, 23:17

@pbacot said:

One grand pig! Very fat. Reminds me, I think something from my childhood. A piggy bank that wagged its tail up and down when the coin was put in.

I had to post to another thread. SUbD examples and models.

thomthom · 24 Jan 2016, 04:21

Love that pig!

HornOxx · 24 Jan 2016, 07:45

@henyaoi said:

Hi, everybody. Here's my example with Artisan, texture and UV is retained.

Hi, as shown below, I´ve never managed to keep any texture by using Artisan.
What is the trick to achieve your result?

cotty · 24 Jan 2016, 08:17

HornOxx · 24 Jan 2016, 11:58

... and once again AUAAA thanks Cotty! I am ashamed
How could I have overlooked this option?!?!?

derei · 31 Jan 2016, 23:14

I think the Coca Cola has the texture distorted... and I am sure is not because of the brand. Pepsi seems fine.
What would be the cause?

thomthom · 31 Jan 2016, 23:44

@yorik1984 said:

I think "Coca" and "Pepsi" are same. How do you think?

Love it!

Would you mind sharing the model? I'm about to look into OpenSubdiv and it might provide some better UV mapping features. That model looks like a nice test model to experiment on.

yorik1984 · 1 Feb 2016, 13:54

I make a small test inspired by correspondence on Skype.
Not for holy wars just for fun.
I think "Coca" and "Pepsi" are same. How do you think?
[3dwh:jhj44tuk]ue4128cb4-6aa0-4d0b-b03d-ea9f1ff71cc0[/3dwh:jhj44tuk]

yorik1984 · 1 Feb 2016, 13:55

@thomthom said:

Would you mind sharing the model?

Add link to warehouse in post

hsrhdrehre5654654 · 2 Feb 2016, 14:47

Also, in my case, i need to use Artisan instead of SubD because with SubD i keep getting invisible "edges touching more than two faces" and it wont let me to subd.

With Artisan, smooth as hell. So i will say that Artisan is more flexible when dealing with geometry. I just needed to discard subd because it was making me to waste even more time, instead of the opposite..

thomthom · 2 Feb 2016, 16:19

@hsrhdrehre5654654 said:

Also, in my case, i need to use Artisan instead of SubD because with SubD i keep getting invisible "edges touching more than two faces" and it wont let me to subd.

Got an example model to share?

hsrhdrehre5654654 · 2 Feb 2016, 19:39

@thomthom said:

@hsrhdrehre5654654 said:

Also, in my case, i need to use Artisan instead of SubD because with SubD i keep getting invisible "edges touching more than two faces" and it wont let me to subd.

Got an example model to share?

Unfortunately i dont have the model, since i started from scratch again , using Artisan. But i asure you that the cuts were pretty clean (i made sure of it) with no edges between and weird things, and still i was getting that error.

xiombarg · 22 Feb 2016, 04:40

A couple of things about each program.

Artisan - Let's you model quick and dirty, or cleanly in quads, without tripping you up in the smoothing process when dealing with n-gons and weird geometry. For models to be kept in SU that do not need to conform to industry standards, this works fine.
The Crease tool has no scale for lighter or softer creases (that I know of). And, it only does one single edge at a time, which can be slow.
Artisan crashes with some frequency, especially in complex models.
The knife tool can be really handy for quick visualization, or when needing to chop geometry that is intended to be rebuilt, BUT it does not restructure anything into quads (which would be freaking stellar if it did).

SubD - In a lot of ways it's actually good that SubD makes you model cleanly (assuming you want professional level models, or models that easily export for other programs), which can be easily checked in your model by subdividing and looking for oddities in the triangulations.
The Crease Tool might be what makes the biggest difference between these two. SubDs tool works quite a bit better than Artisans by allowing you to scale the intensity of your creased edge, which gives an added level of control. It also creases all selected edges at the same time. Very handy when using Quad Face Tools for selecting loops or rings.

ZahariStoyanov · 29 Mar 2016, 07:19

@hsrhdrehre5654654 said:

Also, in my case, i need to use Artisan instead of SubD because with SubD i keep getting invisible "edges touching more than two faces" and it wont let me to subd.

With Artisan, smooth as hell. So i will say that Artisan is more flexible when dealing with geometry. I just needed to discard subd because it was making me to waste even more time, instead of the opposite..

Been there! Here's what happens - sometimes you repeat edges to close some gaps and a new face overlaps the already existing one next to the gap(sorry, I'm on another PC so I can't show an example). So you get the old face, the overlapping one on top of it and the closed gap next to them - all in all 3 faces. That's a problem that always needs fixing. I can remember having issues with it even with Artisan and Loop. I'd also guess rendering would be a pain in the rear end