The render program is renditoner V3 pro and the water is a pre-set finish with light set for a cloudy day, also a pre-set level. Thanks for the kind words, appreciated.

Thanks Rob, yes, I have acquired Maxwell V3 and Twilight V2 for that and other reasons. I just have to get used to their methods.

Cheers John, getting some good textures helps a lot, limited otherwise.

Never mind, for some reason I am now able to log in. I did reset my password to the same one but I am up and running now, thanks for going through this with me.

My mistake, there is no f in update.

Thanks Rich.

Thanks for the clarification Richard. Gareth, sorry I missed your intent, I hope I have not come across as rude and apologise if that is the case. I have spent a lot of my time in very small rooms and the op was for a small residence for a post graduate living in their own space, possibly for the first time purchase. The second series is a study in the 10m2 student accommodation that I was looking at being proposed in Sweden I think. They had the shower above the toilet and I remember being appalled at the thought of having a shower while sitting on the loo. It came across as plain nasty to me. I also wanted an illusion of space which is why I ended up breaking the bathroom facilities into room regions instead of having the three s's in a separate room. The kitchen is still downstairs in the both versions, next to the beer cooler.

You are very welcome folks, just a small return for all the help, encouragement and generosity on this forum. I will try out others but the technique is simple and repeatable.

Thanks, it's appreciated.

A belated than you to Cotty who spotted my error in step one, Thanks very much it IS appreciated. Sorry I did not do that earlier.

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Great find. Thanks for sharing. Bookmarked.

A direct quote from trimble uk:- "Sketchup is either bought online or from a distributor. Looking on the web, the UK distributor are a company called Cadpoint ! Trimble no longer deal with this product".

'Scuse me, not thinking write this AM, I shall just scale the bleeping thing up and remove the problem at base point. Yes obvious I know, I just had to work it out with a pencil and a very long spoon...........

Well at least I know I am not going completely mad, I was saving THAT for a rainy day when I really NEED it................

Thanks for the tips, I know about the spere or even just a square/oblong face for 'painting' a background on it is difficult for distance/scale issues as I want some renders at different ranges. The watermark tip is something I did not have a clue about but it just does not get there having a strange appearance but then I could be in error with scaling during import. I will have to try some different models for comparison. Thanks for your suggestions, another day with new lessons.

Sorry Rich, missed this, yes latest release of 2013. Now I have the toolbar found I am basically OK, just got to fit the extra mats into kerkythea and I shall take it for a strole around the block.

Well that bug has been a big pain in my rear end for years when modeling.