Lively is dead and so it deserves to be, it looked like crap and it played like crap, but the idea of having a virtual space would be great, I create alot of my models on the same theme but with such large files and so many of them it's virtually impossible to display them in a scene, if there were virtual space available imagine the possibilities, allowing others to vertically walk your virtually masterpieces and vice versa, it doesn't have to be a virtual social mmo, just a space to create a visualisation, being anything, leave out all this avatar crap which they messed this lively concept up with, virtual space should be something available to SU users for creating large scenes, more or less like a game engine with built in renders and so on but for SU users.