If the problem is on a specific page, try this: copy the content of that page and paste it to a blank page in a new document, then save it. delete that page from you original document, and remake it again - importing (copy&paste) the saved data. This might fix it. Sometimes it worked for me. If, as I think, your problem is that the memory gets full, you may split your document in two or more parts. 25 pages are a lot for Layout. Have you tried it on another computer? Let me know. matteo

[image: R20b_Picture68.png]Nice concept but I am doing something wrong as I get this message.[image: HUsL_Picture69.png]

thanks I really really appreciate the help. aloha red

The red x is typically when a resource can't be loaded. In early days, this was a stand-in for lacking memory resources on large documents... did you get this resolved? If not, PM me. b ps - sorry, my replies have been slow. I lost my reader feed and didn't see these posts.

Here's another workaround for 2d shapes to scale in LayOut: Do all your drafting in SketchUp on the XY plane. Import into LayOut,and choose the desired scale. Render the model in vector, then use the "explode" command to convert the SketchUp model to LayOut native shapes. Depending on the complexity and overlapping of your shapes, you will have some level of cleanup (joining, splitting lines, etc..). But then you have LayOut shapes, to scale, and you were able to draw them relatively quickly in SketchUp. I realize this isn't exactly what you were going for. I've really wanted the same functionality in LayOut (and the guides tool, and the tape measure tool). This is how I've approached similar situations.

Tig, thanks, I will give that a shot as I thought that I had done that all along, as I was building the model. also thanks for the useful plugins too. aloha red

Okay, and all of this seems like a lot more work than have an option for "visibility by group" or something like that. I do have a "structural model" that I deleted or stripped unnecessary files from, but all of that requires "parallel updates" which is tedious and mind twisting as to which version goes where etc, once the model is finished and only minor revisions it seems to work okay, I also do alot of working on a copy of a model, usually stripped down version, and get a component or group as I want it and then do a "paste in place". That keeps my "original" file which is burdened with components etc, from being altered or effected by my editing processes. thanks for your insights and creative ideas. I will look at giving them a try. aloha red

nope, that was the floor plan r

Red -- I've complained about this behaviour through the beta testing channels for a while now... they keep saying they've fixed it, but as you've noticed they've done anything but. Check out my posts and my YouTube channel (timdanaher) for examples...

When you are in vector (or hybrid) rendering in LO and explode the SU model, when entering its editing context, you should be able to split certain bits off the vectorwork and move them per paper space with no problem.

if you click on Print Preview, in Layout, do all the pages appear ? if so, maybe it is your chosen printer that fails. cant think of anything else. good luck [image: SRms_PrintPreview.JPG] [image: MH4P_Allpages.JPG]

wow, that worked, .. now my drawing is cluttered with all of the failed attempts to get the grid and guides to show!!!! again, one simple little thing holds me up and eats up time... It did not even say this within the manual that I have... thanks aloha red

Give this a try too. A shortcut that worked for a simple test I used TIG's roof tool which groups and made a profile cutout for the 2nd floor intersect and grouped same. Then used BooTool Boolean subtract plugin for the cutout. (just ignore the not a valid solid message) and ++++++ Bingo. No cleanup and ready for the next step. dtr

Where I am currently at, .... Okay, I did a small model house with working drawings as my first actual "building permit" set. I jumped into a larger two story house and got to making groups, layers, and the model... it got big fast and out of control...the outliner list was nearly a full page high, groups groping groups...and things getting buried in one layer that were nested inside another group... it got CRAZY... so what I did was create a MASTER file, that I only drop in completed, organized, properly understood layering, files... paste in place works great. I took the crazy file, made individual models for: foundation, walls, roofs etc. got them organized, then "paste in place" them into the MASTER file... a lotta work but so much easier than trying to figure out where things got buried. If this seems too crazy... it is the only sane work around I could come up with given my understandings to date.. if there are any other suggestions, I am open to ideas. Oh, I find the command E or hide function in Outliner REALLY dangerous, things can get hidden never to be found again, and when the outliner gets big, it gets really hard to control, groups, when clicked, go off into wild fits of expansion, seems like there could be a "find the group you just clicked" game that should be looked into for potential "things to do when you have lots of time on your hands" thanks, aloha red

Yes, it was a LayOut issue / question, hence within the LayOut discussions. And thanks, yes, clipping mask is the way to go, I knew of that but thought it would be more work, ultimately not. Thanks again for all the insightful support. aloha red

Hi Red, You could however (after stripping the LO file off everything, true) save it as a template and then when opening another document, apply this template to it.

Yes, For basic residential projects there would seem the need for typical Naming of Layers, Groups, reusable Components, Styles and Templates. I am not certain how to best do that, "create a base labeled and named blank project file, that you copy and work from" and created and saved components, established styles for schematics, working drawings and renderings, established font book, (typical construction materials, i.e. dimensional lumber, rebar, connectors, warehouse items), a fully stocked proven "warehouse", and within LayOut, established useful system of Layers, a symbols, notes, and details "scrapbook in LayOut", and appropriate templates for each phase of design and presentations and output sizes. Also would be good ... a PDF system for rapid communication, comments and corrections (not necessarily from LayOut, but that is what I currently use, on a specific layer, but then the responder needs to have LayOut) I am working on these. thanks for your perspective. aloha red

@bjanzen said: You can have more than one window open: Window->New Window for Page blah. b Oh, Duh! Perfect. Except we need the self-updating cross-references.

To see a section slice in a model, just nudge it away from your section plane by .01 or .1 inches (depending on scale / units / etc.). Works great... TIG's tool sounds great - but I use the built in tool to create a group, nudge it into the part of the model that is showing. I'll often slide it over 1000" or some handy number, make it into a component, and then edit, fill in the solids with various colors, textures, etc. Then detail it in LayOut.

thanks for the clarity, I knew they had a function, it just seemed when i pressed them, nothing really happened... but then again I am an old dawg and this is a new trick.. aloha red