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    pilou
    last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 00:31

    Yes thanks to Proxies! πŸ˜‰

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    Is beautiful that please without concept!
    My Little site :)

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      ntxdave
      last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 00:44

      @HornOxx Thanks a ton. I see what I did wrong. I thought I had used the Ctrl when using the Gizmo tool but I must not have.

      I tried selecting the grids at both end and scaling at the same time but for some reason it would not do it. I was able to do it by scaling one end at a time.

      I wish the ConnetEdges tool that is part of the QFT tool would give you a little better control over the division (like being able to split the selected surface evenly) but I also know that you can use the move tool to position the rings/loops so there is more than one way to get the job done. I also like the way you went into wire frame mode and used guide lines to drag the ring/loops. That was pretty neat also.

      Ultimately, I would like to be able to put together a beginners guide to quad face modeling.

      Here are the sections I would like to see:

      • What is Quad Modeling

      • Why is it necessary/Why would you want to use it

      • Step by step example

      • This would be a step by step guide with pictures that showed each step with an explanation of why you are performing it* I think a written guide might work better than a video but maybe some animated gifs because the newbie needs to understand both how and why you are performing the step* The sample model needs to be comprehensive enough to see all (or at least most) of the features yet not so complicated that the beginner cannot understand what is being done

      • Glossary

      • Poly* Quad* Tri* N-Gon* Other Terms

      Just some current thoughts - a long way off though.

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        ntxdave
        last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 00:45

        @pilou said:

        Yes thanks to Proxies! πŸ˜‰

        Another dumb question: What are Proxies?

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          Box
          last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 00:53

          Here's a quicky to show how to slice things up with QFT.

          http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s296/storeben/SU/Qft.gif

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            HornOxx
            last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 08:45

            @ntxdave said:

            What are Proxies?

            The Proxy in this context is the simple raw geometry.
            Also for example Artisan uses this term - also there is a simple raw geometry (the proxy)
            which then gets subdivided in a much complexer and biger geometry. The Proxy allways is the
            "placeholder"(? donΒ΄t know if that word exists in English?) for something modified.
            A lot of Render tools replace simple Proxys with most complex replace-geometrys or components.
            So you can draw (or use) for example a simple line-box in SU, wich then gets replaces within a renderer by a most complex 3D-tree...

            never trust a skinny cook

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              thomthom
              last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 10:54

              @cuttingedge said:

              QFT, Vertex Tools & SubD, proved to be the most enjoyable tools for modeling. Here's a WIP of my earpods..

              Is the colour there from post processing? Or is that actually a SketchUp style?

              Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                thomthom
                last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 10:57

                @jql said:

                If they're working with render engines and if you have Thea Interactive Rendering capabilities, you'll be able to fire up a render with subdivision without Sketchup Open GL viewport even being aware of it!

                Indeed. At the moment I'm moving towards using OpenSubdiv as subdivision engine. It actually have support for fast display of the subdivided mesh for OpenGL and DirectX - however the SU API doesn't provide access to the GL pipeline. Otherwise you'd have it override the normal drawing of the mesh in high-poly while SU itself would only know about the control mesh. dreams
                But I got some ideas here ... need to make some experiments. πŸ€“

                Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                  thomthom
                  last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 10:59

                  @ntxdave said:

                  • Poly* Quad* Tri* N-Gon* Other Terms

                  Have you looked at the links on the SUbD site?
                  http://evilsoftwareempire.com/subd/quads

                  Currently there are four links to external sites that describe the general concept of tris, quads and ngons. Is there information there you feel is missing?

                  Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                  List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                    jiminy-billy-bob
                    last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 11:20

                    @thomthom said:

                    however the SU API doesn't provide access to the GL pipeline.

                    Tomasz did it! It needs some heavy hacking, but your colleagues in the core team may help you?

                    If you do succeed, I'd love to know how πŸ˜„

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                      thomthom
                      last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 11:25

                      @jiminy-billy-bob said:

                      Tomasz did it!

                      Yea, I know there are way to get access directly to the SU viewport. But I got another idea that might be less hacking. I'm hesitant to dig too deep into host applications like that as it could easily break. I was thinking more in terms of overlays. Separate transparent window in a separate process (that way if it breaks it shouldn't take down SU with it.)

                      But yea - BaseCamp hackathon? πŸ˜„

                      Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                        JQL
                        last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 11:47

                        @jiminy-billy-bob said:

                        @thomthom said:

                        however the SU API doesn't provide access to the GL pipeline.

                        Tomasz did it! It needs some heavy hacking, but your colleagues in the core team may help you?

                        If you do succeed, I'd love to know how πŸ˜„

                        Damn I love Thea For Sketchup!

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                          optimaforever
                          last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 13:35

                          Is there a tut for terrain and especially road modeling in quads?
                          I'm struggling to find examples for correct crossings topologies...

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                            cuttingedge
                            last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 13:42

                            @thomthom said:

                            Is the colour there from post processing? Or is that actually a SketchUp style?

                            Nope i just provided a platform for good contrast against the white.

                            Thinking about it.. It isnt easy to model perfectly. took me about an hour and half..while it looks okay here.
                            I had to redo it again to perfectly model it. My target it to actually make my modeling skill usable in the actual production of professional 3d prints.

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                              Rich O Brien Moderator
                              last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 13:52

                              SketchUp needs Matcaps soooo bad 😞

                              Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp πŸ“–

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                                thomthom
                                last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 14:00

                                @cuttingedge said:

                                @thomthom said:

                                Is the colour there from post processing? Or is that actually a SketchUp style?

                                Nope i just provided a platform for good contrast against the white.

                                I might just have to replicate that. I quite liked that colour scheme.

                                Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                                  optimaforever
                                  last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 14:15

                                  I arrived to this with the roads in quads.
                                  But I have no idea for the topology of the terrain between them...
                                  What's the basic strategy? try to create a complete grid with similar quad size (closest to square as possible)?
                                  And is quad modeling only for volumes? In the present case I'm only working on a plane...

                                  Thanks


                                  quad terrain modeling.jpg

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                                    thomthom
                                    last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 14:23

                                    optimaforever - what is your target end result? Are you planning on subdividing?
                                    Are you planing on keeping it 100% flat? Will you be adding pavements etc? Some times you might not need quads 100% of the time.

                                    Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                      optimaforever
                                      last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 14:55

                                      @thomthom said:

                                      optimaforever - what is your target end result? Are you planning on subdividing?
                                      Are you planing on keeping it 100% flat? Will you be adding pavements etc? Some times you might not need quads 100% of the time.

                                      I was planning to move some vertexes in Z as the terrain isn't flat.
                                      My aim was to be able to get nice road borders (eventually duplicate some edges to generate concrete curbs with profile builder), smooth slopes.
                                      But I am wondering how to "fill" the zones between the roads. I guess it's basic know-how I'm missing here πŸ˜•

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                                        ntxdave
                                        last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 15:10

                                        @box said:

                                        Here's a quicky to show how to slice things up with QFT.

                                        http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s296/storeben/SU/Qft.gif

                                        @Box - another excellent video. Always more that can be learned from sages like you. πŸ‘

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                                          thomthom
                                          last edited by 17 Feb 2016, 15:30

                                          @optimaforever said:

                                          My aim was to be able to get nice road borders (eventually duplicate some edges to generate concrete curbs with profile builder), smooth slopes.
                                          But I am wondering how to "fill" the zones between the roads. I guess it's basic know-how I'm missing here πŸ˜•

                                          I used to do that in my old job. use QFT to map curbs. However - I then had non-quad fill. Simply because I didn't need it.
                                          Filling that model you have would require some work to get good loops and topology flow - but ask yourself if you need it for all of it. Quads is after all not a goal by itself - but a means to make tools work better (where needed).

                                          Thomas Thomassen β€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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