@sepo said:

That is exactly my point Frederik. It all depends on the presets.

Exactly...
Not to forget the person using the render application... Your friend being a very good example...

@sepo said:

So we should just stop these comparisons as they are fruitless.

I fully agree...!
But if you've noticed, this thread wasn't initiated as a render comparison...
All we wanted was to show some of the new functions and capabilities in KT2008...

Sepo, I'm not sure you've read what I wrote...

@frederik said:

On page 2 you'll see that for that particular scene, KT beat Vray in speed...

I can only repeat... for that particular scene...

I know Vray very well and also the superior render quality and speed...
And I also acknowledge that Vray will beat KT in many scenes, but again it all depends on the render preset used...

@dzinetech said:

Seems like I touched a nerve and the KT users are on the defensive!

I guess you did... But does that come as a surprise to you..??

@dzinetech said:

Am I to expect that arch viz firms will now drop vray/mental ray etc.. for KT Echo because it can deliver the same high end images in a time frame that is the fraction of a Maxwell render?

It's very clear that you have no clue about what render methods are available in Kerkythea...

Please note that KT doesn't solely have unbiased render methods available... KT has both biased and un-biased methods... That's why I - in my first post - wrote that it all depends on which render preset you choose to use...
I don't know any other render engines capable of having both biased and unbiased methods available...

Didn't you take a look at the Comparison among Unbiased Render Engines thread...?!?
On page 2 you'll see that for that particular scene, KT beat Vray in speed...

@dzinetech said:

I do look forward to seeing what users can produce with the new build.

And I'm sure that you'll get a pleasant surprise...

Just one final comment...

@unknownuser said:

Besides, here's a small lesson about unbiased rendering:

• Unbiased rendering was first introduced back in 1986. Yes!
  It was not introduced by a commercial renderer. Just marketed
  nicely (but this is just my opinion).

• Writing an unbiased renderer is simpler than writing a biased
  one! Yes! Developing a path tracer or even Kelemen's MLT is easier
  than writing photon mapping.

• There are many more unbiased renderers that you can think off!
  Virtually all ray tracers can turn to unbiased rendering relatively
  easily. Sunflow for example can operate in path tracing mode.

Overall! I see users reproducing the same information found in
commercial leaflets but never digging a bit more in theory or.. history!

Hi Jason,

What render preset did you use..??
I agree with Sepo that it's most likely the settings you've used...

@dzinetech said:

I'm not sure how many hours it would take for a KT MLT render to get anywhere near the quality of a vray render on the same machine but I doubt its worth the wait.

It seem that you're just ignorant here...
How can you state something like that..??
You might be a big fan of Vray (which btw is a very good render...), but claiming that it's not worth waiting for in KT proves that you don't know what you're talking about..!!

I suggest that you take a look at the Comparison among Unbiased Render Engines at the KT Forum...

This is absolutely BEAUTIFUL!! Well done, Solo!

I really enjoy your renders!! You're so talented and have a good eye for details that makes your renders look believable, and you have the ability to capture a nice atmosphere and feeling in your renders...

Thanks for sharing these... Very inspiring..!

Cheers
Kim Frederik

@dzinetech said:

yet I personally dont think that it should be used as an arguement for the image quality it produces.

I fully agree with you...!
The point is that you can get renders completely free of the grains... It's all a matter of the render preset that have been used and how long time you let it "cook"...

The "teaser" I made was stopped after 15 mins... If i had let it cook for i.e. 30 minutes, you would not be able to see any grains...

When I get home, I will post some new images...

BTW... I don't see much grain in JJ's images... My clients would be very pleased with this quality, but perhaps your clients wouldn't..??

@grdnblak said:

I can't seem to figure out how to make your own lights for use within Kerkythea (not the spotlights or point lights that are readily available) i.e. like a neon or strip light. every time i think i have it sussed it appears as a spot or point light in kerky, any ideas how to do this?

Hi Gordon!

If you haven't done it already, I suggest that you download the Getting Started tutorial, which should help you achieve what you want to...

I also encourage you to visit the KT Forum, where you can find many useful tips and tricks...
I.e. take a look at the neon lamps for a industry hall thread or the neon lights thread...

In KT2008 Echo, which will be released on Wednesday, January 30th, you have the option to use IES lights...
To get an idea about what IES is, you can Google it or take a look here...

Hope this can help you further..!?

@unknownuser said:

kwistenbiebel wrote:
Am I the only one who sees that scaling is off ? Question

Nope... I also see it...

But I assume that the scale of the pot mobile model is OK, but in this render it's the background image (HDRI??), which is out of scale...

Cheers
Kim Frederik

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@kwistenbiebel said:

By the way, I love the lawnmower in that 'KT echo' image you posted. It seems he has a sh*tload of work to do

Yeah... I agree with you...!
I got him from FormFonts...

Haven't seen you for a while, Kwistenbiebel... Good to see you again...

@kwistenbiebel said:

Any improvements in the pipeline (KT2008), regarding the 'biased' render methods and the physical sky ?

Regarding the physical sky, I know what you mean (something about adding ozone - right??), but we haven't put any efforts in this for KT2008...
I suggest that you use HDRI-probes, which - in addition - will make your exterior renders more realistic...

Regarding the biased render methods, you'll see a combined MLT + BPT preset and most of the render methods have been fine-tuned and optimized...

But apart from these, you will see many other improvements and enhancements...
Perhaps the Mac port being the most important...
But also the new Material editor, the instancing brush, the networking feature, Grouping feature, IES lights, and much, much more...!!

I've just made a quick render with some Xfrog 3D trees, which users can insert very easily from the models menu and subsequently populate using the instancing brush...
Nothing fancy... It only took about 10 mins to set up and 15 mins to render...

@gaieus said:

Guys this is a TEAM WORK here and the mods also work really hard especially with the transfer still being on our shoulders...

That was actually also what I meant...

@frederik said:

Most definitely...!!!
I'm really impressed with you in particular, Gaieus...

I'm aware that this is a team work and I also appreciate all the other Mods, but you in particular...

Hey, I really like this community... That's also why I made a small (you know... Every little counts...) donation, which I also encourage everyone else to do in order to ensure that this great community is maintained...

You're ALL doing a fantastic job here...!!
When Google decided to move from the vBulletin forum to Google Groups, you guys did a fantastic job creating this... And over the past half year, things has started to "smell" and feel like "the good old times" at the previous Google SU Forum...

@unknownuser said:

No offence please, Frederik

None taken, Guite...

@Prodigiua... Sorry for the hi-jack once again... But I just needed to clarify things...

@craigd said:

Does this seem interesting to folks?

I'm sure it does, Craig...
The problem for me is, that you don't seem to have similar seminars running in Europe...
If you had I would most definitely be very interested...!
(and I meet all your requirements... )

I agree 100% on this..!!

@gaieus said:

I hope members think the team is doing a good job here...

Most definitely...!!!
I'm really impressed with you in particular, Gaieus...
You're ALWAYS extremely helpful...!! People like you are rare...!!! (Unfortunately!!) So SketchUcation can only be very pleased having you aboard their team...!!

Often I wonder... Where the f... does he get the time for all what he's doing in here...?!?

P.S. Sorry for high-jacking this thread, which now seem to have been sidetracked...?!?

@gaieus said:

As for the deadline - I read it in the Flash in the top ridght corner a while ago. If I remember wrong or you guys need some more time I'll be patient, just take your time; I know you've been working hard...

Thanks, Csaba...
And I apologize if the banner has been unclear...
As far as I know, we haven't - until yet - mentioned a specific date...
But any way... KT2008 Echo will be ready for release very soon...!!

@gaieus said:

tried with the forum in the top frame (I mean without the frameset - the link you gave) but the same result.

That's really weird, cause no-one else seem to have the issue anymore...
Like I said, we have been tweaking the settings, in order to get the site more stable and fast... We did have an issue with the Joomla cache, but that's fixed now and the site runs very fast and stable...
When looking at the numbers of users logged in right this minute (We have 27 guests and 9 members), also suggest that we don't have any issues...
So please try again, and if you still have problems logging in, please send me an e-mail or a PM from here...

@prodigiua said:

OK,that is impresive,but what about moderators of this forum. I bet they make best renders.

And why's that..???
Just because you're a moderator, doesn't mean that you're talented at making renders...

@prodigiua said:

Can someone point me to their work

Well... I suggest that you take a look at The King of textures and renders and his web-site...

I seem to have the same issue as Eric...

I'm really not sure what's going on for you guys...
We have made some optimizations on the site, but everything should be accessible and available and we haven't set-up any restrictions...!?!

I will take a look at your nick names in the admin-site of KT...

In the meantime, please try these direct links...
Kerkythea 2007 for Windows
SU2KT 3.0 SketchUp Exporter & Lighting Fixtures (Windows Installer)
KT Forum (without site wrapping)

@gaieus said:

I hope they'll fix this soon since the new Kerky 2008 is due on Sunday!

Well... I wouldn't count on that, Gaieus...
We fully understand that you're starting to get impatient...
This is actually very encouraging for us, cause it shows exactly how much users love KT...

What we can tell you is that we're currently beta-testing an almost clean and buggy-free version...
Now Giannis need to fine-tune the last details, we need to finish various tutorials and then it will be ready for release...

I'm sure Giannis will advice an exact date for this...
My best guess is that it will be released on the last day of January...

That's a real monster, Pete..!!
Looks fantastic..!!
How did you add the reflection..??
Is it a combined render and SU..??

(And BTW... Nice to see your new avatar... I assume that it is you in the image...?!? )

Nice job, JJ...
I like the feeling of that image... Looks like a late evening/sun set shot...