@thomthom said:

The longer it takes to save, the more likely it is that SU will freeze up for long enough to cause "white-out" and then trigger it.
I see it also when I use Sandbox Tools to Drape geometry. If it's on large geometry, which cause SU to "white-out" while it works, Soften Edges will also trigger then.

I think this happens only on Windows.

I have this instance happen often as well. It wills soften the entire site geometry which is often large. The resulting softened geometry actually then produces visible line work across the entire site. If I am lucky I get to undo. If I am not, the site geometry is worthless.

TIG: I am glad you were able to replicate the problem. This has been bugging me for awhile now.

I'm curious if model size has an impact. On mine they are all around 30M in size where this occurs.

@thomthom said:

@unknownuser said:

It then saved successfully. If this is a known bug, I would definitely place it fairly high on the list.

Yes, it is a known bug. But it was one that was risky to fix which is why it hasn't been done yet.

Hopefully a fix comes about. At any rate, your recommnedation of deselecting before saving appears to work every time. Thanks!

I use a Wacom pen and tablet. I'll never go back to a mouse.

I'm not sold it is GC related as it only recently started happening on three of my latest models. I was able to undo before closing. I don't have the soften dialogue box open either. I will verify the deselect before saving. I think that makes sense, because on one model yesterday, I tried saving three times in a row and each time it softened the edges. I then tried using another operation before saving, which resulted in deslecting. It then saved successfully. If this is a known bug, I would definitely place it fairly high on the list.

@mitcorb said:

Could any particular plugin be contributing to this effect?

Not from what I can tell. I have zero plug-ins that deal with softening edges.

I have had this happen a couple times now and now consistently with a detailed home model. I save the file, and immediately all the edges are softened. I can select edit/undo soften edges to fix it. If I don't notice it though, it remains softened.

Any fix for this?

@caronte01 said:

Hi Sonder. I really like those elevations! How are you achieving the fog effect? Section planes?
Are you using hybrid or raster for sketchup views?

Thanks for sharing

The fog is in sketchup saved settings specific to the scene. I use raster rendering, edit quality low, export quality high.

@elmer said:

Thanks you for such a quick answer.
As a matter of fact i don't use any scenes for that sort of work. Each section cut is a single file in SU and comes as a single file in LO. I don't move the model or change the camera view, all I do is zooming in and out to make minor modifications like erasing a line somewhere in the drawing.
What is strange is that it is a recent LO behaviour I never encountered before.....

Use scenes. This is definitely what is causing your problems. Without saving a scene there is no way to set up a constant view. Your layout reference will always be linked to the last saved view since there are no scenes.

What is happening is you are seeing a scene (modified). This means you have adjusted the reference view slightly off from the saved view in the reference model. You need to first set your reference scene in Layout to the actual scene in the model. If the scene is selected and followed by the word (modified), then it is no longer referencing the exact same view. You also always need to make sure "preserve scale" is checked. Layout does behave differently when you decrease the reference box size as opposed to increase. Always make your reference box larger than you think you need. Reducing it is much easier and results in less errors than increasing the size. I went through these same issues multiple times until I realized what was actually occurring.

Many ways to skin a cat!

Here's what I do:

1. Draw the floor plan or import it if you use ACAD.
2. Extrude the walls to the desired height.
3. Set indidual level (floor plan and walls) as a group and assign its own layer.
4. Repeat the same for other floors
5. Draw the roof and repeat the same steps.

That gives you a basic model

I never draw in different scenes. I always draw in 3D and stick to one scene that is labeled "working model" You can name it whatever you like. I keep this scene simple for speed - no shadows or fog. Now you can go in and edit individual floors, adding windows and doors without affecting geometries of the other floors or roof. Just use layer control so you can easily isolate the group you are working on or you risk accidently erasing one of the other groups. The other thing you need to watch is that you are drawing in the correct layer, or verify after you are done.

These would be plans for the architectural review committee, so accuracy of scale is very important. I am not changing sheet sizes at all. They are still D size. I was hoping for a simple setting in preferences, but I do not see any. Currently my work flow goes like this to achieve the scale change. After I set it up once, my other project went really fast - about 10 minutes.

1. Draw a line from a point on the reference model, for insertion of the paper space items once re-scaled.
2. Set the reference model to 1/8" = 1'-0"
3. Left to right highlight all paper space items (including the line drawn in 1 above) and upscale by 2.5 (1"=20' up to 1/8" = 1'-0") The example I show is incorrect scale at 1" = 10'
4. While the paper space items are highlighted, group them.
5. Reset the insertion point of the highlighted group to the end point of the line drawn in 1 above.
6. Shift highlighted group to point on the reference model where the line from 1 above originated prior to scaling.
7. General clean-up

@lapx said:

Love your work and style sonders! Everyone is pushing revit including consultants because its BIM capabilities which sketcup is not strongly suited with these characteristics at present. I'm sure one day maybe but currently schedules, takeoffs, referencing,interferencing is not addressed adequaltely I presume? How do you deal with some of the timesavers that are highly dependable in BIM programs not to mention coordinaton with other consultants who may not use sketchup.
This is perhaps the biggest reason people continue to use autcad products because its easier to trade files with everyone else w/o having to deal with conversions. We work on 10s of million dollar projects. It would be virtually impossible to do this work exclusively using su it seams. I wish!

Thanks,

I agree, that is Revits strong suit. However, if you use components wisely, you can track doors, windows etc. I am sure someone could come up with a Ruby to quantify them into a schedule. As for material and area Takeoffs, sketchup is wonderful at that and can quantify material areas much better than Revit. Referecing is more than adequate. Comparing the two graphically, IMHO isn't even close. Revit is really far behind. As for coordinating with consultants, I export a DWG from LO (takes seconds)and have heard no complaints at all.

Once I figured out that worked, it convinced me to completely drop ACAD. That was a decision that did not come lightly with all my libraries, .lsp routines and standards that I established over the past 12 years. I always wondered why ACAD did not have an interface that was WYSIWYG. I also could not understand or justify the cost per seat. Heck the annual subscription is as much as SU Pro. The other little tid bit that makes a huge difference in workflow is establishing your scrapbooks. It basically becomes your own personal check list of items in a specific drawing. I love how you can build on it from any drawing your working on.

@pbacot said:

Actually, Sonder, now that I think of it, I have no idea how you approach this. You copied objects in SU and set over the model in LO--getting linework you can modify with the shape style? I get different results if I do a copy from SU.

Yes that is correct. You copy line work from the SU model and paste it into Layout. When you do this, LO recognizes it as a SU model. You then set it as Vector rendering. Then you explode it. It remains grouped, and you can edit the line type through Shape Style as well as move the group together. This is especially helpful for property lines, setbacks and contour lines.

The trick to make it easy, is you copy line work from the same scene that is saved in SU and is depicted in the specific LO drawing. That way when you paste it as an overlay in LO it retains orientation and scale, making for very easy placement. So if you have a scene named "Site Plan" in SU, make sure you are copying line work directly from the saved view. I typically use layers to isolate specific items like contour lines, setbacks and property lines, so it is really easy to isolate that line work in a specific scene for copying.

There are a few steps, but it works really well. I hope that makes sense.

Hi Sawyer:

Yes, snow is lacking badly. Looks like it will finally change towards the end of the week.

As for the site plan, the line work - property lines, setbacks, tree graphic & notation are all in Layout. Everything else is in sketchup. I generate all my site topography from drawings provided by a land surveyor. Since that work is imported into sketchup, it is a simple matter of copying it into LO. If you have the scale set, it comes in at the correct scale and easily pastes over the model since all the geometry exists in the model. It is still a work in progress for me also.

@jolran said:

However I don't think one can deliver for ex a CD with such vibrant colors?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Interesting topic. Please keep discussing.

By CD do you mean Construction Document? Look at the thread at the top of the Layout section.

@pbacot said:

:lol: Yeah i guess if you go THAT route. And maybe textures are more suited to color and photographic images than trying to render linework.

Hey don't they have to use deformed rebar?

Great!, now I have another texture to find!

I am finding line work less and less necessary these days.

Oops! here are a couple more:

Thanks for the kind words. The background I agree. I did that part really fast in photo shop. The picture is actually from the real site taken during the day. I adjusted the lighting and contrast to a night scene. This was all done with SU and Kerkythea/photo shop. You are correct on the "cabin" note - it is 6,500 sf. I still think it is marginal rendering work compared to the work I see on here. For you ski buffs, this is near Lake Tahoe California. it is a new development of trailside homes on a Ski area here.

Here are a couple other views.