Remarkable comment coming from Gehry. I remember a quote by him in the documentary 'Sketches of Frank Gehry': "it must look more silly!"
Still, I do like some of his designs. I visited his Dusseldorf project twice and those buildings are, even for my non-architects friends, a joy to behold.
Almost the same answer as Cotty above (posted while I was typing):
Think of a group as a container or a room in a house. An object can't be in two containers / rooms at the same time - it can only be in one container / room / group at the same time.
So, you have several options:
The best choice depends on what you're trying to achieve.
Read the last pages from this thread: http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15%26amp;t=10750 although, even with the fastest machine currently available SketchUp will at some points become slow if you don't model smart: use layers / groups / components / styles and know how to use them to get some load of SketchUp's back
@ppgiorgio said:
may can it be a problem with java or ruby?
There seems something broken in the communication between the webdialog and sketchup. Maybe you have you disabled JavaScript in your internet explorer settings? are you absolutely sure Javascript is enabled?
@ppgiorgio said:
please up, today i'm still not able to use plugin or other functions that use the webdialog
Have you tried re-installing SketchUp and/or updating your SketchUp version to it's latest maintenance release?
@onzki said:
... How I tested: 1. I opened it (timer start), 2. Save as to a new file afterwards (timer starts).
To my Surprise, the results are almost identical, ...
I noticed that if I disable 'redefine thumbnail on save' in 'Model info - File' saving a file is a matter of (milli-)seconds on my SSD. If I don't disable it, saving a file takes up to 20 to 30 seconds.
It's a great idea so I had a go and it seems to work under Windows.
Save this code as a .rb file and drop it into the plugins folder. I'm a Ruby newby so it might violate proper code habits but feel free to comment.
require 'sketchup.rb'
module MB
class OrbitToPerspectiveObserver < Sketchup;;ToolsObserver
def onActiveToolChanged(tools, tool_name, tool_id)
if tool_id==10508
camera = Sketchup.active_model.active_view.camera
status = camera.perspective?
if !status
camera.perspective = true
end
end
end
end
class OrbitAppObserver < Sketchup;;AppObserver
def onNewModel(model)
model.tools.add_observer(OrbitToPerspectiveObserver.new)
end
def onOpenModel(model)
model.tools.add_observer(OrbitToPerspectiveObserver.new)
end
end
Sketchup.add_observer(OrbitAppObserver.new)
end #module
edit: changed the code so it will now auto-start when Sketchup starts OR a new file is made. Note: double-clicking on a file in windows explorer will not get noticed by these observers
Sounds like a job for the 'toolObserver' & id nr 10508 (CameraOrbitTool).
@jql said:
Well, my method's objective is to explore conceptualy until construction documenting stage, wich I didn't explain much but consist of sectioncutfaces with 2D components for details of the dificult parts of construction.
During the conceptual stages I also use a bit different method (the method above is my workflow during the construction documenting stage) - I still use solids but model the 'total package' as one object: a cavity wall is just one big solid (no subdivision for the inner and outer wall), the roof is one big solid as well etc.
@jql said:
In a construction document setup it's even faster. And it has to be as in our office I have several projects at one time.
My construction documents take some time but I'm a one man office so I don't mind. I do several projects at the same time as well but using this workflow I'm more confident to prevent any mistakes. Also, I think its fun and the clients like it as well. I give them the 3d model and some of them use Sketchup for trying out stuff themselves.
@jql said:
SU model itself light enough for a my badtop (wich is where I do all my work too and present projects to clients).
My models aren't that heavy either as long as I don't use components from the Warehouse but model things myself. I still use my old laptop (X61s - 2007) to present my models to my clients but my computer for doing the actual work is a powerful desktop.
The methods will vary but the good part is, with Sketchup you can make a living as an architect which is a surprise to some of the people I know who work at (big) architecture firms and who look down on Ketchup (that's what they call it).
Very interesting topic!
regards, Max
@jql said:
Funny how everyone does it differently. I never cared much for solids.
I think your method is more fast than mine but I like solids a lot, to me they resemble actual building elements.
The first project I did this way was for a client who was going to do the actual construction of the house himself. To make everything perfectly clear to him, I modeled the house in 3d with the main components (slab, wall, rafters etc) as individual objects. By turning objects on/off and dragging the sectionplane, he could get a good view of how the elements relate to each other.
My clients (and contractors) respond well to this workflow & the outcome. Because everything has already been assembled in 3d in Sketchup, the building process, most of the time, is like a walk in the park. Another method could likely get to the same outcome but this one just fits me.
@krisidious said:
...I have a bunch of Arch Details in autocad format and scrapbook format. I've made some 3D details but it seems they are never the same as the next set.
I understand. Most of the time, I 3dmodel the key parts in SketchUp so I'm sure its correct and maybe just refine the Sectioncutface(by TIG) with some additional 2d lines/details. (in this case I added the cavity wall lines - I would normally model both walls).
To quickly give an idea about my workflow I took your 3d file and made some changes. For demonstration purposes, I treated the top floor and part of the ground floor as an addition.In SU, open the outliner and layers to see what I did:
A different process but it suits me well. Picking elements with the outliner is fast and requires less mouse/pen-clicking.
I think I have covered the most important parts.
Max
@pauly7 said:
Is it possible to just Section Plane through a Group instead of your full model?
Yes, double click the group - 'insert' a section plane - leave the group. The section will only be applied to that group. Works also for nested groups so 'complex' sections are possible.
If you don't know him already, look him up: John Lautner, an American architect. His houses for Bob Hope, Casa Marbrisa and Pacific Coast House might be of interest.
@sexypox69 said:
Oh Sketchup, when will we be able to import pdf's.....(
Have you tried importing the pdf into Inkscape? From Inkscape you can export to dxf and you can import that into Sketchup. Even with multi-page pdfs, Inkscape will let you choose which page to import. Works great.
@krisidious said:
In another thread we were discussing our methods and how they differ. I thought some people might find my Blank Client Folder useful....Hope it helps.
Very interesting! Makes me have a look again at my current method.
A few questions if I may...
My folder layout (I translated from Dutch to English) is a bit smaller. I used to put all the cad_... into one cad-folder and the same for the docs... I'm testing this folder layout that requires less clicking(pen/mouse) to navigate.
In the log.odt I make a record of anything that happens outside the e-mail. So I log the content of the meetings with the clients, calls etc etc with a date stamp. That way I can always track back in case there's a question/argument about something.
I use the project number 14.01 also as a prefix for the folder name of the photos because it makes it more easy in Picasa to find them.
I will try to find some time to post my method in SU&LO in detail somewhere in the coming weeks.
Again: very interesting!
edit: typo & photo-folder name explanation
@juju said:
I am still struggling with the thought of parting with $150 and again so every year thereafter, not too keen on that.
It all comes down to: 1. does his workflow fit you and your projects AND 2. do you think his tool is going to save you more than $150 every year?
For me it's:
No, I prefer an Outliner based workflow with a hierarchy of named objects. I started using it 5 years ago and it just fits me and is flexible enough to fit any project I have.
No, I don't have problems with manually setting up 4 elevations and 2 sections and a few floorplans. I don't mind spending a few more minutes to do so. Also, you can easily set up a scrapbook of your own to do something similar. I tried it once but every project has it own demands so I never used it again.
To be honest: asking $150 every year for the above to me is ridiculous. Better split that amount up and donate every year to TIG (SectionCutFace), ThomThom (selection toys), Fredo (FredoScale, JointPushPull) and maybe several others that have made tools you use every day and with those tools you will gain much more time ($150 worth) and joy/fun at work in Sketchup than by using Condoc.
just my humble opinion.
Thanks for the links JuJu,
You get to see his Condoc tool in action in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZvouCvfUMA from 15m50 onwards.
For those who are in a hurry and don't want to look at the video, I think his Condoc tool comes down to:
All these scenes are coded in a way so they correspond with his Layout scrapbook settings. So after opening his layout file, you have to re-link the scrapbook's Sketchup file to your new Sketchup file and all the sections, elevations and floorplans are initially set up with a lineweight and scale. You just need to arrange them and can start adding text etc.
It's very vague indeed if you ask me. Pity he didn't just show a demo of the tool instead.
Besides that, I have a great dislike for yearly subscription(s). I acknowledge firms / people who put a loooot of time in making good and bug-free software / plugins and they should get payed for that - no question there. But I rather buy it once and be convinced by them, by adding more and better features to the tool, that I should consider to buy an upgrade.
@mike lucey said:
...I will see if they can be translated.
I had a go with help of Google Translate:
*The mission statement of the workshop 'Dutch design meets bamboo' to design a product with bamboo, was used to introduce the 'Cradle to Cradle' principle in our work.
Our goal was to create a biodegradable substitute for fiberglass reinforced polyester. By combining the fast growing and strong bamboo fiber with PLA (a biodegradable plastic) we reached our goal: a thermoplastic that could be used in many areas of the product industry.
For the workshop, we have made the ultimate illustration of biodegradability; a coffin. In the straps of the coffin are the processed seeds of maple tree. The body and coffin are nutrients for the new life that will com out of those seeds.*