Thanks I must of over looked that

@dreampsi said: if you can point me out to some clear cut modeling tuts that would be good do you refer to sub-division tutorials? or to essential sketchup tutorials? btw did you checked all of the other topics in this forum section? i suspect you didn't or maybe you should pay more attention, because probably you could have avoided the most of the errors in your mesh. also make sure check sub-d documentation on the website (good and growing) and maybe take a look to a few of the example models shared here on the sub-d forum for general sketchup tutorial i don't know.. i learned it some times ago and i'm not sure wich one is the best up-to-date, but probably the official sketchup channel is a good place to start. also try to search sketchucation for "the doh tread" that's essential.

ahh Brilliant lol I never thought about reclicking on profile thanks

o.O* this one is A Verr reeee Niace as Borat would say

thanks yeah I kept cleaning it up to no avail I was making the lines and edges look cleaner but I was shooting myself in the foot because I kept giving edges more than 3 faces, but all is well now thanks for the reply. moral of the story ..... Only an Edge can make you make a face....

also take a look at "connect" tool from thomthom's quadface tools.. that gives you greater control on number/pinching/cornering of loops/topology!

yea that's great thanks man