SubD examples and models

ntxdave · 9 Feb 2016, 01:56

@Box, another great tutorial for those of us who are trying to move further along with quad modeling. Between this and the other tutorial you share earlier today, I am getting the oicture clearer.

The other aspect that I have seen in you instrument post that woul ge nice to see is how you achieved the curved sections.

I have now downloaded the trial versions of the Subd and Vertex Tools plus the QFT plugins. I created one model so far. It has errors but I now have a better idea of where I should go. Will be trying some more tomorrow. It is not as big a mystery as it was before.

Again, thanks for sharing you knowledge with the rest of us.

Box · 9 Feb 2016, 02:51

@ntxdave said:

The other aspect that I have seen in you instrument post that woul ge nice to see is how you achieved the curved sections.

It's all about segmentation, you can use follow me to create shapes but they don't need to be 'round'.
Here I have used the arc tool set at 3 segments. You can use more or less depending on what you need. I used too many in the horn but it was an unplanned shape so just evolved. Tigs split tools are very handy too as you need everything split into quads. You can manually draw the edges in but Split tools speeds up the process.

Box · 9 Feb 2016, 03:54

Another very quick doodle.
How to make a passable sports bra from an empty box by moving a few vertices.
I've added the proxy so you can ~~make em as big as you want~~ adjust them to fit.

Sports Bra.skp

HornOxx · 9 Feb 2016, 06:54

@box said:

Another very quick doodle...

Thanks Box for your great "Doodle"-Tutorial-Shorts here!!
like some others here - there is a lot to learn

Rich O Brien · 9 Feb 2016, 09:17

@box said:

Another very quick doodle.

pilou · 9 Feb 2016, 09:20

I you make 2 holes you have very design glasses!

Bob James · 9 Feb 2016, 09:43

Considering all that you have already provided in the practical use of these new tools I feel somewhat guilty in asking you to do the same step-by-step tutorial for the creation of your sports bra. It may not seem so to you, but for numb-noses like me these tuts are REALLY, REALLY helpful.
I've spent so many years using SU with the native tools and Ruby plugins/extensions that I'm finding it more than a little difficult re-structuring my workflow. At this point it's not obvious that the quad workflow is better/faster. I'm trusting in all of you "quad guys" that, in the long run, the quad workflow is the "way of the future".

Thank you again for your great explanations.

@whaat
This is the stuff that has distracted me from the PB2 beta testing. It's not fair for these guys to dangle M&Ms in front of a chocoholic

Box · 9 Feb 2016, 10:49

Bob there's not a lot I could add to that little bra number, all you are seeing there are the undo steps played backwards. Each of the movements are me selecting vertices and moving them with the Vertex Gizmo just like in the ones earlier. The creation of the lines around the faces is also shown above, but they could just be drawn in.
I'm also on my phone now so unable to work with it.

I think people need to realise that they shouldn't be frightened of quads, once you understand them you can easily work them into your normal workflow as necessary. They actually help you with selecting and manipulating edges even without thinking about the SubD aspect of them. Working with geometry that is a network of loops and rings rather than a tangled web of triangles is so refreshing.

thomthom · 9 Feb 2016, 11:09

@box said:

Working with geometry that is a network of loops and rings rather than a tangled web of triangles is so refreshing.

I'm so happy to hear people say this. It also makes writing modelling tools and extensions easier if they can focus on dealing with quads.

That being said - these GIFs you made box are really nice. Exactly the kind I want to create for the new QFT site.

ntxdave · 9 Feb 2016, 14:49

@thomthom said:

@box said:

Working with geometry that is a network of loops and rings rather than a tangled web of triangles is so refreshing.

I'm so happy to hear people say this. It also makes writing modelling tools and extensions easier if they can focus on dealing with quads.

That being said - these GIFs you made box are really nice. Exactly the kind I want to create for the new QFT site.

Having been one of those who was trying to get a grip on the whole quad modeling approach/environment, Box's GIF's would be a great collection to start a set of tools on how, and why, to use quads more in your approach to 3D modeling. I have downloaded them all as "quick reference" guides. I only wish that there was a way to pause a GIF so that I could go back and see what was just done (like what was clicked) without having to watch the entire video.

Challenge: Someone come up with a way to pause/play a GIF

thomthom · 9 Feb 2016, 14:53

@ntxdave said:

Having been one of those who was trying to get a grip on the whole quad modeling approach/environment, Box's GIF's would be a great collection to start a set of tools on how, and why, to use quads more in your approach to 3D modeling. I have downloaded them all as "quick reference" guides.

Yea - the quad-workflow was my main concern in releasing SUbD. Had this not been a spare-time project of mine I would have made sure to produce more content for QFT up front.

Btw, have you had a look at the links on the Quad section of the SUbD website?

Box · 9 Feb 2016, 14:59

@ntxdave said:

Challenge: Someone come up with a way to pause/play a GIF

Record the gif with any of the multitude of screen recorders that save as video, the ones we used before the gif ones were available.

ntxdave · 9 Feb 2016, 16:08

@thomthom said:

Btw, have you had a look at the links on the Quad section of the SUbD website?

Yes, but I am going to look at it again. I have also been reading the Blender for Dummies book. While I am not Blender's biggest fan and the book does not really teach you to use the software very well. It is a very good background for understanding the whole Quad environment and learning some of the terminology related to the quad/mesh environment.

I did finally do my first quad model yesterday. Unfortunately I did it before Box's gif's so it has several mistakes but at least I did one.

Here it is:

Everyone has to start somewhere and then learn from your mistakes.

pilou · 9 Feb 2016, 16:20

@unknownuser said:

Challenge: Someone come up with a way to pause/play a GIF

Windows Media Player inside your Windows system
can read these Gif with Stop button, Next, etc...
Image following is just an image, not an animation!

thomthom · 9 Feb 2016, 16:37

Aye. Quad-based workflow has a steeper learning curve than your normal SketchUp workflows. However, the long-term benefits are great.

Box · 10 Feb 2016, 05:19

Here's a little exercise to help people understand how a low poly proxy can become a complex structure.
As you see I simply made a basic child's stick figure as a series of connected blocks. Then gradually refine the shape by moving the blocks around. This helps you to retain a quad structure.
QFT lets you click to add or remove whole loops as you need them. As the level of detail increases you can refine the shape more and more while still having an easily navigable mesh to work with.