Large empty white screen pops up causing me to force quit

jeff hammond

%(grey)[Ok, before I do anything I will provide additional info...
I am on a Mac ultrabook 7i with, Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB, OS X 10.8.2, Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, retina display. (I am now to MAC, just about two weeks now)]

that's a 15" macbook pro
(ie- sweet computer and the graphic card is fine for anything sketchup)

@unknownuser said:

I will try to explain the issue I am having in more detail. also if someone can tell me how to add an image here I will include a screenshot the next time it happens...

when you're composing a post, you'll see 'upload attachment' a little bit below the window you're typing in.. click that then navigate to the file etc..
fullscreen screenshot on mac is shift-cmmd-3 ..screenshot with selection window is shift-cmmd-4

@unknownuser said:

%(grey)[will be working in sketchup for a while, as always I save often... then all of the sudden a white window (like a pop up, but blank) pops up and covers my screen and I am forced to force quit because I can not see or access any of the sketch up tools, even if I am able to see a toolbar they are locked. I then go down to the bottom area where I see the sketchup icon and right click to quit the application and I am given two options, one is something like inspect changes and the other is something like abandon changes... (not exactly sure of the exact words but the gist is that there is not an option to save) So I choose one of the options and that window closes but the white blank pop up random thing is still there and sketchup remains open but frozen under the whit screen. So i have to go up to the top left corner and click on "force quit" then i pick sketchup from the list and it closes.

I then re-open sketchup and am usually able to work for a while before it happens again, maybe an hour but sometimes it happens right away....

Thank all of you for you input and help so far! I really appreciate it!]

that sounds like a sheet instead of a popup.. very few things in sketchup use sheets.. it's usually little windows with the stoplight buttons at the top left..

does it look like this?

mockup

if so.. the only thing that uses those in sketchup are more on the osx side of things.. Save As, Import/export, and printing..

maybe you should try disabling auto-save in sketchup (for one, autosave in sketchup is no good anyway.. two, you already said you save often.. and three, since it's seemingly appearing random and the Save As dialog uses the same style sheet, there's possibly some sort of glitch going on in which autosave is showing a sheet when it should remain hidden)

anyway, in sketchup, go to 'general' in preferences (sketchup menu-> preferences -> general)
untick the box named 'auto-save'

if that doesn't stop the behavior then see my earlier post.. maybe that other thing sounds all techny and nerdy but it's really not.. it's just throwing away a little text file.. (though maybe spelling out every single step of how to get to said file makes it seem )

shannakae

Wait! Right after I posted this I went back to my sketch up window and there was that big whit blank screen again : ( argh. Being new to mac, i also dont know how to get a screenshot of this thing? I have jing installed on my computer but it is not coming up or it is hidden behind the big blank white screen.... : / any ideas?

driven

Is it always the same model that causes this?

To find out what the 'Window' is,
the next time it happens, leave SU and open AppleScript Editor.app (use Spotlight to find it or the Finder(menu) » Go » Utilities » AppleScript...)
then Paste this in and Run (green button in toolbar)


tell application "Sketchup"
	activate
end tell
tell application "System Events"
	get entire contents of every window of process "SketchUp"
end tell

you'l get a list of all the open SU windows, and may have a clue what it is...
you can try this out first, even with SU closed, it will open it for you.

john

shannakae

Ok, i figured out how to get a screenshot Shift+Command+4 gives me something similar to what Jing offers. Anyway I have an picture of this monster thing i have attached it. I guess actually i can access my tools and the move things around behind it but I just cant get it to go away... and the important message that would probably tell me what it is is conveniently behind it I'm sure...

Gaieus

Shanna, you failed to attach the screenshot. You can use the edit button at the top of your post to add it (again?).

driven

hi,
image not attached?
if you right click on it do you have any options, in particular 'reload'...
john

shannakae

Ok, it looks like the screenshots are too large for me to add, let me resize them and I will resend.

shannakae

Ok I am attaching a screenshopt of the big whit box over my sketch up, and two images of what happend after I rand the Apple script editor as drected by "Driven".

white screen thing

apple script editor results

white screen

apple script editor results

driven

in 'System Preferences' Pane you need to enable assistive devices, forgot about that sorry...

enable_GUI_scripting()

on enable_GUI_scripting()
	try
		if (system attribute "sysv") < 4138 then display dialog "This script requires the installation of Mac OS X 10.3 or higher." buttons {"Cancel"} default button 1 with icon 2
		tell application "System Events" to if not UI elements enabled then
			tell me
				activate
				display dialog "This script requires the built-in Graphic User Interface Scripting architecture of Mac OS X, which is currently disabled." & return & return & "Enable GUI Scripting now? (You may be asked to enter your password.)" buttons {"Cancel", "Enable"} default button 2 with icon 2
			end tell
			set UI elements enabled to true
			if not UI elements enabled then error number -128
		end if
		return "yes"
	on error
		return "no"
	end try
end enable_GUI_scripting

this should help, run in AppleScript Editor

driven

in your second image the menu bar says it's Safari?
long shot but, does the box go away if you close Safari?
john

shannakae

ok will do that, in the meantime here is another screenshot of what I get when I go to close sketch up....I picked discard changes and it closed down sketchup.

what happens when I close sketch up

driven

Ok,

If you 'Review Changes' then 'Save' or 'Discard' on both, does SU then close itself?

driven

if you turn off 'Instructor' does it go away?

scroll area 1 of window "Instructor"

driven

hi

you can edit out the long list from the above post if you want....

what it tells me is you have these windows open

%(#0000BF)[window 2, possibly a suspect
window 3, possibly a suspect
window "Instructor"
window "Artisan" ,
window "Round Corner" ,
window "V-Ray for SketchUp" ,
window "Albatross - SketchUp Pro" ,
window "Untitled - SketchUp Pro" ,]

you need to turn them off one at a time to find which it is...

john

jeff hammond

yeah, that is indeed very weird and should not be happening..

i wonder if it's somehow due to the retina display ? (ie- nobody in this thread has ever seen this before but none of us has a retina display either ) ..but it seems like you're getting a window that isn't refreshing..

try to run sketchup in normal resolution:

• right-click (2finger click) on the sketchup app inside the applications folder
• choose 'Get Info' from the list
• see if there's an option to 'open in low resolution' (or smthing like that)
• try running sketchup again

if that clears up the problem, i would report it to the SketchUp developers so they can try to narrow down the cause and fix it..

if that doesn't clear it up.. honestly, you should probably take the computer to a genius bar if you have an apple store nearby.. there are so many variables here that it's going to be hard for someone to figure out the problem via a forum..

good luck

[edit] oh.. i would still try to turn off sketchup's autosave to see if that's triggering this..

dale

Screenshot 2013-02-02 at 11.41.48 AM.png
I have the Retina display on a 17" MacBook Pro, and I have never experienced this.
This dialogue box is simply telling you you have 2 other SketchUp files open as well as the one you are working with, and you have not saved them recently.
If you have not opened these files, they could be partially to blame.
I notice you are on Mountain Lion, and there is an option in the OS (I'm new to Mountain Lion) that automatically opens any previous files when you start an application.
If you go to your System Preferences under the Apple dropdown menu at the top left of the screen, and go to "General"
You can make sure the "Close Windows when quitting an Application button is checked. You can also un-check the ask to keep changes dialogue to if you wish.

Screenshot 2013-02-02 at 11.52.44 AM.png

jeff hammond

@dale said:

I have the Retina display on a 17" MacBook Pro,

no such thing
apple ditched the 17" laptop all together after releasing the retinas..

hi rez 17" was 1920 x 1200 (2.3m pixels)
retina 15" is 2880 x 1800 (5m pixels)

Gaieus

@unknownuser said:

@dale said:

I have the Retina display on a 17" MacBook Pro,

no such thing
apple ditched the 17" laptop all together after releasing the retinas..

hi rez 17" was 1920 x 1200 (2.3m pixels)
retina 15" is 2880 x 1800 (5m pixels)

I really do not know where this is going. I mean it1s not just resolution but also size that you need to look at. What if they can squeeze 5 million pixels in a 1" monitor? Will they be happy? Can you tell those too close pixels apart? Will you still be able to see details?

It's all humbug to me.

jeff hammond

@gaieus said:

I really do not know where this is going. I mean it1s not just resolution but also size that you need to look at. What if they can squeeze 5 million pixels in a 1" monitor? Will they be happy? Can you tell those too close pixels apart? Will you still be able to see details?

It's all humbug to me.

the iphones are even higher rez (325 pixels per inch as opposed to 225 on the laptops)

as i gather, these aren't really retina quality and apple is basically using the word as a marketing thing..

true retina (somewhere around 400 ppi) means the human eye is unable to differentiate pixels at normal viewing distance.. basically, everything will look like liquid at that point..
(and in graphic/cad apps, that would be really nice.. the circle will look absolutely like true circles (even in apps that have true circles, they are still 'faked' because of the pixels..))

further, anti aliasing and those types of visual tricks will no longer be needed..

dunno, i'm all for it.. they'll eventually figure out a way to get the pixels onto cloth.. maybe paint.. etc..

dale