SketchUp 2019 release

masterpaul · 9 Mar 2019, 15:55

Edit:

There's a destructive push pull in development:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beZau_wpR-U
https://blenderartists.org/t/destructive-extrude-beta/678275

It seemingly has components like in SketchUp that can be edited all at once. It's lacking the UI, and perhaps with the upcoming blender, it will be possible to clone SketchUp's UI layout to help out with people wanting to migrate. Perhaps that could be done with a separate install exe so that beginners don't have to mess around with preferences or anything. I'm not sure how much more work would be needed to get everything sorted. I never used blender before. So I don't know what else would have to be done/coded in.

andybot · 9 Mar 2019, 18:50

@masterpaul said:

I never used blender before. So I don't know what else would have to be done/coded in.

I don't believe there are any tools in SU that are not available in Blender (inclusive of SU extensions.) IMO, the big difference/special sauce is the inference engine in SU. You can already push-pull with the extrude command. Manipulation inside meshes is not a whole lot different than SU, it's just a very a different workflow and shortcuts. The 2.8 UI changes make Blender miles more accessible coming from other software. Do take some time and explore Blender.

monsterzero · 9 Mar 2019, 19:39

Oops. I just lost my lengthy post. So I'll keep this "version" short

Looks like I won't be using Sketchup anymore. For some time it was meditative to build in SU. But now with the SU 2019 release, the writing is on the "proverbial" wall. For the VR/AR and other art projects I am doing, I can no longer justify using SU. Nothing against SU, it isn't robust enough for me anymore.

So Blender it is.

I do know I'll be diving into Chipp Walter's videos like mad. I'm already digging into them and I'm fully invested and excited for 2.8.

(I will be modifying my setup in Blender to feel as much like SU and my build style as much as possible)

pbacot · 9 Mar 2019, 22:56

@andybot said:

@masterpaul said:

I never used blender before. So I don't know what else would have to be done/coded in.

I don't believe there are any tools in SU that are not available in Blender (inclusive of SU extensions.) IMO, the big difference/special sauce is the inference engine in SU. You can already push-pull with the extrude command. Manipulation inside meshes is not a whole lot different than SU, it's just a very a different workflow and shortcuts. The 2.8 UI changes make Blender miles more accessible coming from other software. Do take some time and explore Blender.

I wonder if another difference in the interface is the ease of drawing in dimension. Haven't done much in Blender yet, but from comments I gather it is not as straightforward to draw dimension-ally as you want to do in architecture.

rv1974 · 10 Mar 2019, 06:10

@pbacot said:

I wonder if another difference in the interface is the ease of drawing in dimension. Haven't done much in Blender yet, but from comments I gather it is not as straightforward to draw dimension-ally as you want to do in architecture.

My eyes are bleeding when I see Blender archviz tutorials. They use raster blueprints as reference, move mesh subobjects without exact input, just eyeballing. The lack of fast and exact input on the fly is my biggest concern.

L i am · 10 Mar 2019, 07:10

@rv1974 said:

@pbacot said:

I wonder if another difference in the interface is the ease of drawing in dimension. Haven't done much in Blender yet, but from comments I gather it is not as straightforward to draw dimension-ally as you want to do in architecture.

My eyes are bleeding when I see Blender archviz tutorials. They use raster blueprints as reference, move mesh subobjects without exact input, just eyeballing. The lack of fast and exact input on the fly is my biggest concern.

I wondered about that myself but keyboard entry is do-able in blender and apparently 2.80 also has an improved tape measure.
I think that it is metric units only.

optimaforever · 11 Mar 2019, 11:18

A bit late to the party but I agree with most here... SU isn't innovative anymore.
I fondly remember the anticipation when AtLast software brought v3 with the introduction of curves and v4 with transparent materials, and then eventually, the ruby scripting allowing the writing of plugins. Direct mesh/imagery import from Google Earth was nice plus too.

Nowadays I only use move, rotate, measure and pushpull (and sometimes section planes) as standard tools. All the rest is handled thanks to addon plugins.
So, I think all the tools I use in Sketchup date from v4 or v5. Everything that Google and Trimble brought on the table after that was not really needed. Which is a shame because I feel basically I pay every year for compatibility issues (clients keep updating and send us latest ver Skp models, or latest DWG files for instance)...

For several years now, SU's power is basically its plugins potential.

sketch3d.de · 11 Mar 2019, 15:50

@masterpaul said:

Is there something that is essentially stopping us from developing our own opensource SketchUp "clone"?

lightyears of knowledge in highly complex development of a 3D kernel as well as an accelerated OpenGL display output, glueing a programming API and last but not least connecting/developing vector-based 2D/3D data exchange interfaces for multiple platforms... just to name the most difficult stuff.

masterpaul · 15 Mar 2019, 18:32

@sketch3d.de said:

@masterpaul said:

Is there something that is essentially stopping us from developing our own opensource SketchUp "clone"?

lightyears of knowledge in highly complex development of a 3D kernel as well as an accelerated OpenGL display output, glueing a programming API and last but not least connecting/developing vector-based 2D/3D data exchange interfaces for multiple platforms... just to name the most difficult stuff.

I think I would rather pay developers to create an opensource alternative than to pay that yearly for pro every year that brings nothing new to the table.

Mike Amos · 16 Mar 2019, 10:20

Thing is, there are already open source alternatives. Why Trimble are behaving as they are suggests they do not care about migration. I shall leave it to others to work out why.

monsterzero · 16 Mar 2019, 19:25

I still miss the way I can build in Sketchup and have yet to really dive into modeling in Blender. There are some Skethup-like "tools" and plugins for Blender but I've yet to really get into those. It still might be that I have to use Sketchup for modeling quickly and then importing into Blender. Not a bad trade off given Blender is free. I've realized a lot of my work is still really embedded in the "walled-garden" of Sketchup for now.

Nothing against Sketchup, but I need a little more power. Lighting, rendering and rigging. And now that I see Blender can really do some great edge outline looks, I can really stay in that platform for most of my work.

If anyone wants to tackle Blender mods for instance, push and pull, and sketch modeling for 2.8, I'd love-love to see that.

sketch3d.de · 18 Apr 2019, 09:20

yawn

Pixero · 18 Apr 2019, 09:49

I think that to have any success in convincing the Blender team to add SketchUp like features it needs to be done both in mass and in detail.
It's easier to understand how to implement something if it is described in detail and broken down into digestable chunks.

GD3Design · 19 Apr 2019, 08:57

Two months in and they fixed a few bugs.... See folks, the subscription model really works for you!
https://help.sketchup.com/en/release-notes-0

(I miss reading the daily rants on this thread...so felt I had to resurrect it) (also wanted to hear how all the new blender users were faring)

rempage · 8 May 2019, 10:38

Sorry if it's slightly off topic. Does anyone know who designed the SketchUp 2019 cover building?

sketch3d.de · 8 May 2019, 10:43

better ask this in the offic. forum .

Pixero · 8 May 2019, 11:48

I think I read it was Peter Guthrie and his company The Boundary.

rempage · 9 May 2019, 08:24

Thanks. It's The Boundary indeed. Sadly you can't find it on their website.

rv1974 · 10 May 2019, 08:07

2019 DWG Import is disasterous- constantly skips geometry in multiple files. Blocks exploding is not a good option. The best workaround so far is to import into 2018 and re-open in 2019.

valerostudio · 18 Jun 2019, 19:17

@rempage said:

Thanks. It's The Boundary indeed. Sadly you can't find it on their website.

Interesting thing is that on CG Architect, in their latest article, when the Boundary lists all he software tools they use, SketchUp is not on the list.