SketchUp 2015 is 64bit

TIG · 26 Nov 2014, 12:10

@tig said:

We are actually doing a favor to any users who were having problems installing v2015 in its initial format, and to the tardy SketchUp/Trimble guys - by announcing their updated version, which has been available since the end of last week, but which Trimble have failed to publicize thus far !

The issue was not installer crash - it was a crash upon launching SketchUp once it had been installed. This was happening on certain custom locations such as root of a drive or unicode paths. The patch prevent the crash and let SketchUp work in the root of a drive. Though installing to unicode paths will still fail to load the Ruby StdLib so some extensions might not work.
Glad that's been clarified - elsewhere I was sure someone said it was a crash when installing M0, rather than a BugSplat when starting M0...

So you don't need M1 unless you were having problems starting M0.

Of course unless you submitted a splat-report for M0, then you won't learn of M1's existence unless you read this post, or you decide to try downloading the installer again - but why would you? - with no announcement you'll expect it to be the same as the one you had already - so you'll just remain pissed-off with SketchUp and bemoan the lack of an update - which is actually there, but which has been secretly launched, so you haven't found out about it...

The Release Notes are still confusingly out of step, for anyone who decides to check their version against those... versions are shown for M0 [15.0...] not M1 [15.1...]

hellnbak · 26 Nov 2014, 12:26

I hate problems (duh!), but so far 2015 has been well worth dealing with any that have popped up (and there have been surprisingly few for such a major rebuild)

Yay Trimble Team, thanks for all your hard work (take tomorrow off for a job well done )

Now I'll take off my cheerleader outfit and go back to bed

hope that didn't excite anybody

juju · 26 Nov 2014, 14:45

@tig said:

The first v2015 Maintenance Release M1 is now out.
If you download the appropriate installer from the usual SketchUp pages, then you will find it's now 15.1...
But currently Trimble have not been able to update their Release Notes which still speak of 15.0...

I understand that the main changes were made to fix issues experienced by a few PC/MAC users who could not install 15.0... without a crash ! and to fix another rare crash with some users when trying some Layout fly-outs...

@tig said:

http://www.sketchup.com/download/all

Thanks for the heads up!

ntxdave · 26 Nov 2014, 16:33

@juju said:

@tig said:

The first v2015 Maintenance Release M1 is now out.
If you download the appropriate installer from the usual SketchUp pages, then you will find it's now 15.1...
But currently Trimble have not been able to update their Release Notes which still speak of 15.0...

I understand that the main changes were made to fix issues experienced by a few PC/MAC users who could not install 15.0... without a crash ! and to fix another rare crash with some users when trying some Layout fly-outs...

@tig said:

http://www.sketchup.com/download/all

Thanks for the heads up!

Interesting - my version still says 15.0 and when I clicked on the Check for Updates link, it says I have the most current version.........

TIG · 26 Nov 2014, 17:33

This update [M1 -- 15.1...] is more in the nature of a 'hotfix'...
[Says Trimble]
So it does not register as an update if you check from within SketchUp 2015.
Their logic is... if you get to the point where you can check for an update within SketchUp v2015, then it has not done a BugSplat as it opened - so you don't need the update !
If you already have v2015 loading and working OK then 15.0... is fine - no need to update !
If you have BugSplats when running v2015 then download and install 15.1... from the ../downloads/all link I already provided in an earlier post...

ntxdave · 26 Nov 2014, 19:25

@tig said:

This update [M1 -- 15.1...] is more in the nature of a 'hotfix'...
[Says Trimble]
So it does not register as an update if you check from within SketchUp 2015.
Their logic is... if you get to the point where you can check for an update within SketchUp v2015, then it has not done a BugSplat as it opened - so you don't need the update !
If you already have v2015 loading and working OK then 15.0... is fine - no need to update !
If you have BugSplats when running v2015 then download and install 15.1... from the ../downloads/all link I already provided in an earlier post...

Yeah, After I went back and reread some of the posts I see no need for me to update..

I will continue having fun with what I have....

tt_su · 26 Nov 2014, 23:51

@driven said:

@tt
so the advice for us to pass on to those who crash on first start-up, should be to...
submit the bug-splat for the download link?
or
simply re-download?
john

Just instruct them to download M1. We identified the bug so we're not in need of the crash data for that bug for M0 any more.
The BugSplat message is a convenience for those that do submit a splat - saves them from contacting support.

@hellnbak said:

Yay Trimble Team, thanks for all your hard work (take tomorrow off for a job well done )

The US office has taken gobble gobble vacation now. I started my vacation yesterday - in London visting some friends. I would have gotten lonely to be working this week with no one replying.

@hellnbak said:

Now I'll take off my cheerleader outfit and go back to bed

@hellnbak said:

hope that didn't excite anybody

driven · 27 Nov 2014, 00:13

@tt_su said:

in London visting some friends.

if need someone to buy a pint for, I'm about...
john

tt_su · 27 Nov 2014, 00:22

@driven said:

@tt_su said:

in London visting some friends.

if need someone to buy a pint for, I'm about...
john

You live in London? Where abouts?

driven · 27 Nov 2014, 00:26

@tt_su said:

You live in London? Where abouts?
East Dulwich SE22
I'll PM a phone number...

mikey r · 27 Nov 2014, 15:16

@jim said:

You can install and use differing versions of SketchUp on a computer. You can not install both the 32-bit and 64-bit version of SketchUp 2015. So if you are using a version earlier than 2015, you can install 2015 64-bit without affecting your current version.

My desktop is 64 bit but laptop 32 both Windows 7. I use desktop mostly and laptop to show customers at the job. Can I install 64 at home and 32 on laptop without any sharing issues? Any benefits? Is that even an option when I purchase Pro for my 2 computers?

Aerilius · 1 Dec 2014, 21:27

The 2015 license is independent of the bitness (and operating system), as is the file format. You can save a file in any install of SketchUp 2015 and open in another SketchUp 2015.

karllarsen · 4 Dec 2014, 13:55

No, I did NOT read every single post in this thread...

124951.70 KB model
1704 Edges
563 Faces
83 Components
11 Groups
59 Component definitions
3 Layers
31 Materials
2 Styles
Created in SketchUp 8 Pro

i7-980 6-core
24 GB Crucial
Win 7 64-bit
AMD Radeon V7800 2GB with newest driver as of this AM

I can see NO increase in performance, whatsoever, in 2015 64-bit.

jiminy-billy-bob · 4 Dec 2014, 14:33

@karllarsen said:

I can see NO increase in performance, whatsoever, in 2015 64-bit.

It's a legend that 64bits gives better perfs.

Although, 2015 performs better when creating a lot of faces at once.

slbaumgartner · 4 Dec 2014, 17:50

@jiminy-billy-bob said:

@karllarsen said:

I can see NO increase in performance, whatsoever, in 2015 64-bit.

It's a legend that 64bits gives better perfs.

Although, 2015 performs better when creating a lot of faces at once.

How do we kill this legend? It caused a roaring debate before SU 2015 went 64-bit, and here it is back again!

jeff hammond · 4 Dec 2014, 17:54

@karllarsen said:

No, I did NOT read every single post in this thread...

124951.70 KB model
1704 Edges
563 Faces

what do your stats say with 'show nested components' enabled?

i have a feeling the model is much (much!) heavier than 1700 edges..
are those 3D trees in your image?

jeff hammond · 4 Dec 2014, 18:02

@slbaumgartner said:

How do we kill this legend?

hmm.. i don't think we do

the things the developers have said prior to going 64bit seem to be exactly right regarding performance increases.. so people can listen to the developers or make up their own assumptions but as far as forcing people to learn about it, well, you can't.. it's up to them.

that said.. of note (maybe) is something AndrewS said back on page 4 of this thread:

@unknownuser said:

d) the rest of the SketchUp core got to high enough performance that we could actually leverage additional memory in a usable way

the statement implies (at least in my mind) that further speed improvements will be possible down the road since sketchup is now 64bit.
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Box · 4 Dec 2014, 18:24

It's a classic no win internet argument. People demanding 64bit despite the developers saying it wouldn't make a significant difference in the short term. So now when they give 64 the complaints .....well you know

As for a difference in performance, 2015 itself is much better all round. People use it on high end machines and can't see a difference, but try it on something old and outdated and you'll see a difference.

I'm stuck with an old tiny laptop that chokes on anything slightly complex up to and including 2014. But with 2015 is performs far far better and I can even render with it. And it's not just the 64bit version. I reloaded the 32bit version to see if I could use Sketchy Physics with it and I see no reason not to stay with it on this machine.

I have to go with Jeff on this and agree that the 64bit addition allows for more development in the future, simply because that's where the hardware is going. I haven't bought a computer for quite a while now, how many 32bit systems are on the market these days.

karllarsen · 4 Dec 2014, 18:51

@jeff hammond said:

@karllarsen said:

No, I did NOT read every single post in this thread...

124951.70 KB model
1704 Edges
563 Faces

what do your stats say with 'show nested components' enabled?

i have a feeling the model is much (much!) heavier than 1700 edges..
are those 3D trees in your image?

Yes they are 3D trees and shrubs I created in Xfrog 3.5...

2196063 Edges with "show nested components" enabled.
1290962 Faces with "show nested components" enabled.

I'm not a SketchUp groupie, I don't study the code or kernels, I just want it to work.

I also model in 3DStudio Max, SolidWorks, and AutoCAD - they all work much faster on 64-bit systems...

There is NO worthwhile reason, at this time, to upgrade to 64-bit SketchUp.

I love SketchUp - I've been using since version 5 I believe. However, SketchUp has consistently been behind the curve in terms of performance upgrades for as long as I can remember.

pbacot · 4 Dec 2014, 19:02

I like the sample you posted Karllarsen (is that hidden line plus Style Builder?--how did you get the windows [and nothing else] colored?). There's another debate--would 64 bit do anything for renderers that operate within SketchUp?