Is there a way to "define the scale" of a group of objects in SketchUp?

TIG

If your AI is clever enough. you need to ask it how to process the entities inside definitions [i.e. components and groups] using an iteration...

alexpacio2013

@TIG I didn't manage to do it. In your opinion it's not a useful function. I would need it. there is a solution

TIG

I'm not AI.
BUT I'll outline the steps for you...

Run these snippets in the Ruby Console.

Find all 'containers' [i.e. groups and component-instances].
Decide if you want to process all of them in your model. OR those in a selection. Here are the two ways a and b.

3a. #code

model = Sketchup,active_model
containers = model.definitions.to_a #an array of ALL groups and component definitions, including any nested ones.

OR
3b. #code

model = Sketchup.active_model
selection = model.selection
containers = [] #an empty array
selection.each{|e|
  next if ! e.is_a?(Sketchup::Group) || ! e.is_a?(Sketchup::ComponentInstance)
  containers << e.definition
}
containers.uniq! #ignore duplicates
#containers is now an array of selected groups and component-instances' definitions, BUT not any that are nested.

#use puts to see the results, e.g.

puts containers

Process [scale ?] the array of the 'containers' as you desire... one at a time e.g.

containers.each{|e|
  # whatever...
}

alexpacio2013

@TIG I've tried but it doesn't work. I'm attaching an image as an example where I've modified the scale of each cube and also the scale of a group that contains three cubes. In practice, I would like that once all objects are selected, I can define the scale for all of them, even those nested inside the group.

TIG

Once you have a collection of selected 'containers' [groups and component-instances] you need to go though that array and do the same again to each 'container's' entities, selecting any new 'containers', repeat this until all nested 'containers' are got.
Here's an outline of an example...

def miner(entities=Sketchup.active_model.to_a)
  containers = [] #an empty array
  entities.each{|e|
    next if ! e.is_a?(Sketchup::Group) || ! e.is_a?(Sketchup::ComponentInstance)
    containers << e.definition
  }
  containers.uniq! #ignore duplicates
  #process the containers
  containers.each{|e|
    #do scaling code on 'e'...
  }
  #containers is an array of selected groups and component-instances' definitions, 
  #BUT not any that are nested. 
  #Next go through the container.entities - 
  #this repeats until there are no containers left to process.
  return nil unless containers[0]
  containers.each{|e|
    miner(e.entities) #repeats itself !
  }
end#def
#run with miner(Sketchup.active_model.selection.to_a) after first making your selection...

alexpacio2013

@TIG
Is it necessary to repeat this operation for every single object? I need a single command to set the scale for all selected elements (including nested components and groups) with just one click. Otherwise, it would be faster to do it manually

alexpacio2013

@TIG I think I found it. Gemini gave me this solution and it works logically. The components will become unique, but it does exactly what I wanted. Since you're the expert, could you check if it works well?

require 'sketchup.rb'

module Visual_Scale_Applier
def self.apply_scale_to_selection
model = Sketchup.active_model
selection = model.selection

if selection.empty?
  UI.messagebox("Seleziona gli oggetti a cui vuoi 'fissare' la scala.")
  return
end

model.start_operation('Fissa Scala Corrente', true)

selection.each do |entity|
  self.process_entity(entity)
end

model.commit_operation
puts "Scala 'fissata' a 1.0 per la selezione e tutti i contenuti nidificati."

end

def self.process_entity(entity)
return unless entity.is_a?(Sketchup::ComponentInstance) || entity.is_a?(Sketchup::Group)

# 1. Se è un componente con più copie, lo rendiamo unico per non rovinare il resto del modello
entity.make_unique if entity.is_a?(Sketchup::ComponentInstance)

t = entity.transformation

# Estrarre i fattori di scala correnti
scale_x = Math.sqrt(t.to_a[0]**2 + t.to_a[1]**2 + t.to_a[2]**2)
scale_y = Math.sqrt(t.to_a[4]**2 + t.to_a[5]**2 + t.to_a[6]**2)
scale_z = Math.sqrt(t.to_a[8]**2 + t.to_a[9]**2 + t.to_a[10]**2)

# Se la scala è già 1.0, non facciamo nulla su questo livello
unless (scale_x - 1.0).abs < 0.001 && (scale_y - 1.0).abs < 0.001 && (scale_z - 1.0).abs < 0.001
  # 2. Creiamo una trasformazione di scala per la geometria interna
  internal_scaling = Geom::Transformation.scaling(scale_x, scale_y, scale_z)
  
  # 3. Trasformiamo la geometria interna (bordi, facce, etc.)
  entity.definition.entities.transform_entities(internal_scaling, entity.definition.entities.to_a)

  # 4. Resettiamo la scala del contenitore esterno a 1.0 mantenendo posizione e rotazione
  new_transformation = Geom::Transformation.axes(
    t.origin, 
    t.xaxis.normalize, 
    t.yaxis.normalize, 
    t.zaxis.normalize
  )
  entity.transformation = new_transformation
end

# 5. Entra ricorsivamente nei gruppi/componenti nidificati
entity.definition.entities.each do |child|
  self.process_entity(child)
end

end
end

Esegui

Visual_Scale_Applier.apply_scale_to_selection

alexpacio2013

@tig
I have included a final status message and a count for the modified objects.

require 'sketchup.rb'

module Visual_Scale_Applier
  def self.apply_scale_to_selection
    model = Sketchup.active_model
    selection = model.selection

    if selection.empty?
      UI.messagebox("Seleziona gli oggetti a cui vuoi 'definire' la scala.")
      return
    end

    @count = 0
    model.start_operation('Definisci Scala Corrente', true)

    selection.each do |entity|
      self.process_entity(entity)
    end

    model.commit_operation
    
    # Messaggio di successo richiesto
    UI.messagebox("Scale definition of all objects/components successfully completed.\nElementi elaborati: #{@count}")
  end

  def self.process_entity(entity)
    return unless entity.is_a?(Sketchup::ComponentInstance) || entity.is_a?(Sketchup::Group)

    # Rende unico il componente se necessario per non influenzare copie non selezionate
    entity.make_unique if entity.is_a?(Sketchup::ComponentInstance)

    t = entity.transformation
    
    # Calcolo dei fattori di scala correnti
    scale_x = Math.sqrt(t.to_a[0]**2 + t.to_a[1]**2 + t.to_a[2]**2)
    scale_y = Math.sqrt(t.to_a[4]**2 + t.to_a[5]**2 + t.to_a[6]**2)
    scale_z = Math.sqrt(t.to_a[8]**2 + t.to_a[9]**2 + t.to_a[10]**2)

    # Applica la trasformazione interna se la scala non è già 1.0
    unless (scale_x - 1.0).abs < 0.001 && (scale_y - 1.0).abs < 0.001 && (scale_z - 1.0).abs < 0.001
      internal_scaling = Geom::Transformation.scaling(scale_x, scale_y, scale_z)
      entity.definition.entities.transform_entities(internal_scaling, entity.definition.entities.to_a)

      # Resetta il contenitore esterno a scala 1.0
      new_transformation = Geom::Transformation.axes(
        t.origin, 
        t.xaxis.normalize, 
        t.yaxis.normalize, 
        t.zaxis.normalize
      )
      entity.transformation = new_transformation
      @count += 1
    end

    # Processo ricorsivo per elementi nidificati
    entity.definition.entities.each do |child|
      self.process_entity(child)
    end
  end
end

# Esecuzione
Visual_Scale_Applier.apply_scale_to_selection

TIG

@alexpacio2013

You have misunderstood.
It works on your selection of 'containers' AND any 'containers' inside those etc, iterating...
As your later example shows too.
You just needed you to add in some of your scaling code...

alexpacio2013

@TIG @thomthom
The created Ruby script works with practically all objects and components, except for those not converted to SubD and QuadFace. Furthermore, these types of objects do not work even when handled individually with standard scale commands.

panixia

I think that there's a pretty obvious logical problem with this.

If you have a component with X instances of another component nested into it and each one of them has a different scale factor, only one of them can be used to set the "definition".
And which one the algorithm should choose?
Based on which criteria?

That's why Gemini is trying to make each instance unique.

It's not a code problem. It's definitely a logical problem.

alexpacio2013

@panixia In certain situations, I am willing to lose the instances. This is particularly true when I am building external component libraries: every component within is stripped of all scale and instance definitions. I accept this compromise.
Buon anno, Marcello.

panixia

Yeah, I think you'll definitely need to live with the compromise, because there's not some "universal" solution to this problem (and it can get even more complex with multiple nesting levels and/or multiple instances of the "father" component with different scale factor.
You will indeed loose the "instancing" benefit, otherwise it will be a mess.. No matter the code.
Buon anno a te!