Anyone Upgrading to 2020?
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"We now call them Tags! One of our three big new features for SU2020, besides the revolutionary option to hide objects (our new name for groups/components
) and transparent objects!!!"WTF?!? Is this for real? Every year i think that this can't get worse anymore and next time has at least to be a step up - just to see that i was wrong again...
We'll see what all the alleged "performance" improvements are about. Since they aren't even mentioning improved viewport performance this time i think there won't be any.
@unknownuser said:
We’ve spent a lot of time in 2019 learning more about what you, the user, wish SketchUp did better. We’ve been eyeing your comments on the forum and discussing ideas during our training events to see what trips up your workflow. So, thanks for speaking up! You helped us discover how you’re using SketchUp and how we can improve your design process, resulting in workflow improvements galore! They’re so good you’d think we’d been sneaking into design firms or something
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Ok, maybe next year...
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@juju said:
Who's had this for a bit of a test-drive? Specifically w.r.t. extensions managing/leveraging LAYERS (now TAGS). Do they still work as expected?
Like I told you before. It's only a name change from Layers to Tags and instead of Layer 0, Untagged. Use them exactly the same way. Untagged is always active. All edges and faces are created as untagged and remain untagged. Give groups and components other tags like you used to give them layer assignments. Use the tags to control visibility while you are working or when creating scenes.
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@dave r said:
@juju said:
Who's had this for a bit of a test-drive? Specifically w.r.t. extensions managing/leveraging LAYERS (now TAGS). Do they still work as expected?
Like I told you before. It's only a name change from Layers to Tags and instead of Layer 0, Untagged. Use them exactly the same way. Untagged is always active. All edges and faces are created as untagged and remain untagged. Give groups and components other tags like you used to give them layer assignments. Use the tags to control visibility while you are working or when creating scenes.
Erm, yes, I did take note of that and it did offer some comfort momentarily until the following occured to me. Working with a standard installation and using the TAGS (LAYERS previously) the change should be easy enough to adapt to if that is just that, a superficial name change. But surely extensions call to specific things within the program, if those references were changed then the extensions would no longer work. Unless the various functions (called by extensions) are listed internally alpha-numerically (or some kind of ID instead of a name related to the function which is now changed) instead of naming them, in that case the extensions should function as expected?
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I suppose that will depend on the extension but it's up to the authors of those extensions to update them as they would be for anything else. Have you tried the extensions you are referring to?
I've used a recently released extension to manage layer/tag color and alpha. It was written before the author had any clue about 2020's Tags. It works in both 2019 and 2020.
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@dave r said:
...like I told you before. It's only a name change from Layers to Tags... Use the tags to control visibility while you are working or when creating scenes.
thank you very much to formulate this so clearly I was already looking for (for me) meaningful German translation terms ... -
@hornoxx said:
I was already looking for (for me) meaningful German translation terms ...
I expect translating 'tags' into other languages can be a bit challenging. I suppose a better term might be something like 'visibility property control tag' since that's really what it's for. But that's long (and probably even longer in German.
) and wouldn't fit in the Entity Info panel and there are people complaining about how wide the wide the panels are as it is.Having spent the past fifteen years teaching SketchUp users that layers aren't the same as layers in 2D programs like many CAD programs, Photoshop, or Illustrator, I'm happy to see the back side of Layers in SketchUp.
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Been running SU & LO 2020 for a few hours -> feels a bit snappy-er?!
- A nice productivity enhancement (controlling styles & layers in LO)
- Downside for me (using a Wacom) is the sensitivity of the Outliner. Selecting, re-ordering objects many times fails because the software switches to rename-mode for the object. have to adapt to that somehow. Would be nice if it would be possible to turn of the rename option for the Outliner altogether - always using the Entity info for that.
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I printed out the LayOut Quick Reference Card. I noticed a series of menu icons in the Arrange column and other selections that I like. However, they don't appear in Sketchup. I was just wondering why these are not native plugins for Sketchup. Yes, I know they are different programs, but most of the plugins to me would be a welcome addition to Sketchup.
Dave as for the plugin that I un-installed was Fabber. A plugin to make flat layouts of parts for a CNC machine. The plugin manager could not uninstall the plugin, so I went to Revo Uninstall program. I guess I didn't look hard enough to see exactly what it was unstalling. I got back most of the plugins, but in Layout, but I lost all the Layout templates.
Going to be more careful.
Thanks in Advance
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@HornOxx you're missing the 'tag' - I like the font though
Sichtbarkeitseigenschaftenkenzeichnungskontrollemarkierung
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I wanted to rename 'Layer' to 'Tig' rather than to 'Tag'... but there were not many supporters !
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@ken said:
I printed out the LayOut Quick Reference Card. I noticed a series of menu icons in the Arrange column and other selections that I like. However, they don't appear in Sketchup. I was just wondering why these are not native plugins for Sketchup. Yes, I know they are different programs, but most of the plugins to me would be a welcome addition to Sketchup.
What is it in the Arrange menu that you want to see in SketchUp? Most of the entries in the Arrange menu are based on the fact that LO is a 2D thing and there's a defined paper space. They wouldn't make much sense in a 3D space.
@ken said:
Dave as for the plugin that I un-installed was Fabber. A plugin to make flat layouts of parts for a CNC machine. The plugin manager could not uninstall the plugin, so I went to Revo Uninstall program. I guess I didn't look hard enough to see exactly what it was unstalling. I got back most of the plugins, but in Layout, but I lost all the Layout templates.
Going to be more careful.
Thanks in Advance
So you didn't just uninstall Fabber. Uninstalling SketchUp and LayOut should remove any OEM LO templates but should not touch your custom LO templates unless you put them in the same directory as the OEM templates. Proper re-installation of SketchUp and LayOut should restore the OEM templates. If your custom LO templates are stored somewhere other than the normal location, you might need to point LO to look at them. The normal location for user-created templates is in User/App Data as below.
I always copy my templates to the Templates folder for the version. I do this for both SketchUp and LayOut.
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@dave r said:
...and probably even longer in German.
which is true
and since we love to assemble new (unpronounceable even to us!) words from existing ones, we often create word monsters like the fun proposal below and btw - one more reason to only allow English installations on my and our machines...
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@tig said:
I wanted to rename 'Layer' to 'Tig' rather than to 'Tag'... but there were not many supporters !...
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Exciting
Seems like SU is almost caught up to FormZ circa 2000 with the ability to hide objects. So glad I didn't renew my maintenance after 2017. Layers = Tags... I can't even.Anyone want to guess which version of ACAD LT I'm still using?
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Oder wie der Sachse sagt: "Dig, Dag und Digedag"...
(Cover of the first issue of a comic magazine from the 1950s of the former GDR)
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@andybot said:
Exciting
Seems like SU is almost caught up to FormZ circa 2000 with the ability to hide objects. So glad I didn't renew my maintenance after 2017. Layers = Tags... I can't even.Anyone want to guess which version of ACAD LT I'm still using?
IT seems that from the release email I just got that visibilty and nomenclature are about the only major changes. correct? One thing that I have asked for since v.3 (!) yes i have been around that long! is when working in a group or component with nested groups, etc is the abilty to hide or reveal only the next object up in the nested tree. Maybe the new outliner will allow for this. I dunno. I have never really gotten in to OL because of that so maybe this will help.
Gotta check it out.
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This is a plug that I’ve used for a while now that uses the word “Layers” called “Make Name Group”. It’s a great little plug in that does what it says, I can name it and place the items on any layer I have in my drawing. Not sure who’s the author but I hope they updated it.
My other question is with the outliner. I use this all the time to name all my object from the default name so I can find things easier. But as I found out the hard way V-Ray does not like (Nor Recommend) you have the outliner panels open when using their plug-ins. Saving a drawings can take a very long time when I forget to close it.
Same with Scatter it does not like the outliner or the components panel open. Has or will these issues be resolved with these vendors do we know?
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The purely visual renaming of 'Layers' into 'Tags' should work seamlessly in most cases...
Obviously the specific plugin you referred to should consider replace 'Layer' with 'Tag' in its dialog - if the SketchUp version is >= 20 ...
But it should still work - 'below the hood' some checks might fail - like 'layer-name' if the default 'Layer0' has been renamed and accessed directly through the API...We need feedback...
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