SketchUp 2013 ;)

pbacot

I'm simply speechless. Do they really believe that the majority of Pro users are willing to pay for this "maintenance/ bugfix" update!?
For the new feature of the customizable toolbar - this has been possible in the Mac version a long time ago already incl. for 3rd party tools and ruby plugins. But now it can only be customized with native tools(!). Every restart will wipe out all non-native plugins and tools.. Sorry, but this is a step back and not a new feature! Now given the speedy development of the past, one tends to assume that it might get re-addressed again as a "new feature" in SU2014..

Does this mean no customizable toolbar (Just native tools is as good as none). The toolbars and windows in both SU and LO are the worse in any program I've seen. Who would purposely create such a mess? Now they took out the only thing that works. Before I say more...

pugz1983

Hi Everybody,

I've been reading the comments here and I too am disapointed with the new release.

The thing i'm not sure of is if it's allowed to keep using previous free versions for commercial use?

Greetings Twan

altab

@unknownuser said:

What I am worried is not the lack of features but the changes on things that were already there. For example before you could use free license for commercial use and now you can't?... .

Trimble have promised that there would be always a free version, they keep their promise but with this Important change (I'll still use an older version of GOOGLE Sketchup...thanks to all rubyscripters and Sketchucation)

It is certainly a Marketing decision but "Sketchup2013/Make" seems similar to Autodesk products name ( strange considering that Sketchup has influenced some of the Autodesk products )

Gaieus

Hi Twan,

In my opinion, you can go ahead and use SU 6, 7 and 8 for commercial purposes, too. The new TOS is about "SketchUp Make" - which non of the above are called.

Edit: found this in the new SU 2013 FAQ (bolded by me):

@unknownuser said:

As with all of our previous releases, we don’t require you to update to a new version of SketchUp if you don’t want to. But when we move on to a new release of SketchUp, we very rarely (read: almost never) issue updates or fixes for older versions of SketchUp. You’re welcome to continue using the version of SketchUp you have today (for what you use it for today); we just offer less (or no) support for it going forward.

Gaieus

@unknownuser said:

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(say I make a simple copy / past between the Folder Plugins )

That's what I did - and I started to play with the free version first, too.
Be careful not to overwrite any native SU files in the Plugins folder however.

pilou

Does a plugin for the V6, 7, 8 free is compatible to the 2013 free or I must reload it with the new system?
so some thousand
(say I make a simple copy / past between the Folders Plugins )

pilou

And that is working ?

Gaieus

More or less.

Aerilius

@chiefwoodworker said:

So far Trimble gets a failing grade from me for its influence on SketchUp.

In what way does Trimble show a different influence than Google? I don't see any influence.

There's a famous saying in Germany: "You can't rebuild in 10 years what has been rotting for 40 years" (meant about the previous eastern Germany).
I think it fits well to SketchUp. The transition to Trimble has cost a lot of time, effort and resources to rebuild infrastructure that is not yet visible to many. A lot of the foundations of SketchUp have been renewed (latest build systems, UI framework) which is the foundation for something new. While the development team has been continuously grown at a rapid rate, I'd expect visible changes to appear through the Extension Warehouse. This is the way through which Trimble and SketchUp give you new tools.

Inline-reply: And yes, I mean not hobbyist scripts but Trimble extensions. Why should not Trimble add their tools via their own API (how a well-architectured software is supposed to work)?
And: A multi-line Ruby console with unit tests has been added by the SketchUp team, whether you want it to be true or not.

pilou

Thank for this mitigated answer!

Krisidious

Yeah they say not to do it but I'm lazy like that. And I enjoy breaking things.

Revizto didn't migrate properly, They're fixing it now.
Jim's old custom toolbar plugin doesn't work.
Extrusion tools supposedly didn't work but mine came over fine, I updated it like TIG said anyway.

I had to open and close sketchup after plugins were copied over and I had to checkmark plugins twice to make sure they popped up.

I have of course not used all my plugins though...

Gaieus

Well, Jim's custom toolbars plugin does not seem to work. I have not tested all my plugins but what I tested do work. Fredo's Round Corner (on my Win 8 system) only works if I set SU to run as administrator - but then it works.

But why are you interested so much, Pilou? You'll stick to version 6 anyway, won't you?

Krisidious

Another kool small feature of SU 2013 is that when you click off of SU, like on your desktop, all of your toolbars minimize so you can see what you're doing. Then when you click back on the main SU window they pop back up. Nice.

frv

This is what Hitler said about the Adobe license change recently;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=67Iw9q2X9cU

So, whatever the rage I am expecting most here will upgrade, and the cost for a pro upgrade is rather "manageable".

I have a feeling that like the first OSX before the upgrade is just minor when looking at the end user experience. But maybe, and I hope so, more fundamental in terms of the underlaying code. Sketchup has served us well but sooner or later something needs to change more radically to keep up with the neighbors. Sketchup is too slow, too basic to stay were its at.

A positive way to think about this upgrade is the idea that things are changing "under the hood". The team might be readying Sketchup for real and more CAD directed development later on. Lets hope so. I have a feeling some insiders, more involved and knowledgable people do point in that direction.

I am not expecting a makeover for the suggested upgrade price. As an OSX user I find the material panel is no longer workable compared to any of the competition. It looks to me as if the development team at Trimble have never assigned a single material in a file with over 15 materials on an OSX system. If they had they would have fixed it or warn potential buyers that the panel is "under construction". With this in mind I feel very much like most of the posters disappointed about SU2013. I wish development would move on finally with Sketchup itself and drag itself out of the different alleys it seems to get stuck (layout, google earth) .
Francois

wyatt

@chiefwoodworker said:

@wyatt said:

I haven't seen any discussion regarding the cost to skip 2013 and upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2014. Will it be $95 or would one have to buy another full $590 license to skip a release cycle?

The upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2013 is $95 plus state tax.

Sorry, but that wasn't my question. I want to know what to expect to pay if I skip 2013 and go directly from 8 to 2014. Would I pay an upgrade fee or whole new license fee?

dirkkkk

Cool new site, interesting the sort of appstore for te plugins

bummer whit the buttons on the new sketchup version.. I would have preferd if the icons would stay the same.

Greetingz

Dirk

Krisidious

@wyatt said:

@chiefwoodworker said:

@wyatt said:

I haven't seen any discussion regarding the cost to skip 2013 and upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2014. Will it be $95 or would one have to buy another full $590 license to skip a release cycle?

The upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2013 is $95 plus state tax.

Sorry, but that wasn't my question. I want to know what to expect to pay if I skip 2013 and go directly from 8 to 2014. Would I pay an upgrade fee or whole new license fee?

$590.00 US

jason_maranto

@frv said:

This is what Hitler said about the Adobe license change recently;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=67Iw9q2X9cU

So, whatever the rage I am expecting most here will upgrade, and the cost for a pro upgrade is rather "manageable".

That video is hilarious -- however I am one who has dropped Adobe like dead weight -- and have replaced the programs I used with open source alternatives when possible, and commercial alternatives otherwise... and that includes programs they make that are not even in the "Creative Cloud".

Nobody is so good they are irreplaceable... nobody. Furthermore, SketchUp is so far from that mythical position as to be laughable to even suggest it is... Photoshop by comparison was many orders of magnitudes harder for me to give up.

I HATE software companies that abuse the trust of the user -- this is why I refuse to use any Autodesk product for any reason... Adobe and Trimble are on that list now as well.

Best,
Jason.

pbacot

@frv said:

This is what Hitler said about the Adobe license change recently;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=67Iw9q2X9cU
I wish development would move on finally with Sketchup itself and drag itself out of the different alleys it seems to get stuck (layout, google earth) .
Francois

I agree on the wish for development but I think LayOut is not an alley. And GE did serve many needs, though making buildings to populate it was not one IMO. It is the most significant reason to buy Pro (before they banned people from using Free for their work) and seems to have the most real feature upgrades this go around. A good version of the Hitler scene. I'll have to see the real movie one of these days.

pilou

@unknownuser said:

But why are you interested so much

Just to know if i must test all plugins before an hypothetic migration
For the moment I am confortable with 6,7

If I well understand all creators of a Ruby script must test all his production with this new version ?

There is a big change of paradigm ?