SketchUp 2013 ;)

stebehan · 22 May 2013, 12:57

Hi

AMAZING!
You probably all missed the best feature!!! The old boring google Susan is finally replaced by fancy Trimble Derrick...wohooo I am excited!

archheni · 22 May 2013, 13:08

@stebehan said:

Hi

AMAZING!
You probably all missed the best feature!!! The old boring google Susan is finally replaced by fancy Trimble Derrick...wohooo I am excited!

..And the best about this amazing new best feature of Trimble Derrick is his hidden ironic statement: "This ain't our first rodeo." Well..

arail1 · 22 May 2013, 13:09

@seasdes said:

Anyone having trouble buying the upgrade?
I keep getting a message that I have entered incorrect licence info.
I entered the licence info by copying and pasting from the licence info that was emailed to me by Google when I upgraded to V8.

Confusing and poorly thought out to say the least.

What I did:
I paid for the upgrade.
They sent me license info, etc. by email.
I downloaded SketchUp 2013 Pro
Then I opened the program and went to Help > License, etc and inputted my new license info and that worked.

I have no idea what the page you get when you try to upgrade through the website is supposed to do. It wouldn't take my old license info, my new license info, nothing.

Chiefwoodworker · 22 May 2013, 13:10

@aerilius said:

@chiefwoodworker said:

So far Trimble gets a failing grade from me for its influence on SketchUp.

In what way does Trimble show a different influence than Google? I don't see any influence.

......

While the development team has been continuously grown at a rapid rate, I'd expect visible changes to appear through the Extension Warehouse. This is the way through which Trimble and SketchUp give you new tools.

You are correct. You don't see any [Trimble] influence. That's sad.

Interesting business model you articulated. Trimble/SketchUp introduces a major release with no incremental features and charges more for it. Adds an extension's store for hobby Rubyist's to create new features and distribute them, which has no cost to Trimble, but has the effect of SketchUp features improving. In other words, Trimble profiting on the backs of the Rubyist's.

Don't misunderstand me, I am a huge fan of SketchUp and the Ruby API. And I am ok with that model. But it seems that Trimble could at least do something for the Rubyist's, like upgrade to 1.9 or 2.0, add a Unit Test feature to the Console, allow for multiple lines of code in the console, fix some bugs that have been around forever like print to scale, and a whole host of method bugs (which may be fixed, but until I see the fix I am skeptical).

I hope you are correct that Trimble is putting in place an infrastructure that will bring great things in the future. But this major version release surely does not hint of that.

charly2008 · 22 May 2013, 13:10

Hi to All,

@dave r said:

Yes, 2013 is released. If you're after the free version you want to download SketchUp 2013 Make.

I have downloaded the program but it is the Pro version. Did I miss anything on the Trimble homepage?

Charly

TIG · 22 May 2013, 13:11

The first 8 hours of Make run as Pro.
Then it reverts to Make [aka Free].

archheni · 22 May 2013, 13:21

@thomthom said:

@archheni said:

Every restart will wipe out all non-native plugins and tools..

?
What's being wiped out?

..All non-native plugins on the customized toolbar.

wyatt · 22 May 2013, 13:39

I haven't seen any discussion regarding the cost to skip 2013 and upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2014. Will it be $95 or would one have to buy another full $590 license to skip a release cycle?

numerobis · 22 May 2013, 13:44

"Sketchup MAKE"

slbaumgartner · 22 May 2013, 13:49

@archheni said:

@thomthom said:

@archheni said:

Every restart will wipe out all non-native plugins and tools..

?
What's being wiped out?

..All non-native plugins on the customized toolbar.

This looks to me like a long-standing issue has simply continued. Every time I start SketchUp on the Mac, it opens a blank file window with a toolbar that contains only the built-ins. If I close that file and do a File->New, the customized toolbar is restored. Despite numerous complaints in the past, it appears that 2013 does nothing about this...

Chiefwoodworker · 22 May 2013, 13:52

@wyatt said:

I haven't seen any discussion regarding the cost to skip 2013 and upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2014. Will it be $95 or would one have to buy another full $590 license to skip a release cycle?

The upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2013 is $95 plus state tax.

renderiza · 22 May 2013, 13:56

What I am worried is not the lack of features but the changes on things that were already there. For example before you could use free license for commercial use and now you can't?...

Removing some benefits that we had before is not something Trimble will expect people to be happy about specially with a release that most are having to dig deep to find what is new.

I am exited about the changes under the hood that will establish the foundation for greatest things to come so I'll cut Trimble some slack and give them credit in that regard.

IdahoJ · 22 May 2013, 14:03

I find 2013 to be, in a word, unimpressive.

JGA · 22 May 2013, 14:09

I've just loaded SKUP 2013 to a Win7 64 bit PC & still can't get the file image previews to work in Windows Explorer - can anyone else get theirs to view the files?
Bring back WinXP & SKUP 7.1!

jason_maranto · 22 May 2013, 14:10

I'm not sure why anybody would want to "cut them slack" -- after 32 months(almost 1000 days) of development this is the best they could do.

Anybody who thinks this is good enough is not paying attention to the pace of development in other packages -- I've seen many point updates (free) in other softwares that have more (and better) features added than this "major" upgrade.

Do you honestly think that 12 months from now they will have accomplished enough to justify the next round of wasted money?

The writing is on the wall -- time to move on, and I'll tell anybody who will listen the same thing.

Best,
Jason.

charly2008 · 22 May 2013, 14:10

Hi to All,

@tig said:

The first 8 hours of Make run as Pro.
Then it reverts to Make [aka Free].

Thank you very much TIG

TIG · 22 May 2013, 14:12

@jga said:

I've just loaded SKUP 2013 to a Win7 64 bit PC & still can't get the file image previews to work in Windows Explorer - can anyone else get theirs to view the files?
Bring back WinXP & SKUP 7.1!
That's a known Windows issue, 32bit apps don't get file-image on 64bit PCs.... unless you get MysticThumbs... there are several threads discussing this...
Here's one http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=464044#p464044

johnsenior1973 · 22 May 2013, 14:15

@aerilius said:

@chiefwoodworker said:

So far Trimble gets a failing grade from me for its influence on SketchUp.

In what way does Trimble show a different influence than Google? I don't see any influence.

There's a famous saying in Germany: "You can't rebuild in 10 years what has been rotting for 40 years" (meant about the previous eastern Germany).
I think it fits well to SketchUp. The transition to Trimble has cost a lot of time, effort and resources to rebuild infrastructure that is not yet visible to many. A lot of the foundations of SketchUp have been renewed (latest build systems, UI framework) which is the foundation for something new. While the development team has been continuously grown at a rapid rate, I'd expect visible changes to appear through the Extension Warehouse. This is the way through which Trimble and SketchUp give you new tools.

I remember someone claiming one of the Google releases as one of these "under the hood" improvements that we'd soon be reaping rewards from. I didn't believe it then. I don't believe it now.

Trimble have rolled out two "new releases" where the major difference has been a new logo and now a new name. Quite frankly the Trimble releases haven't been worth the download bandwidth and the time that it takes to set up plugins and toolbars.

I don't have ANY faith that Trimble are going to make improvements. Sketchup as it is now is pretty much all SU will ever be.

numerobis · 22 May 2013, 14:17

@tig said:

That's a known Windows issue, 32bit apps don't get file-image on 64bit PCs....

but... no need for a 64bit version...

pbacot · 22 May 2013, 14:45

@archheni said:

I'm simply speechless. Do they really believe that the majority of Pro users are willing to pay for this "maintenance/ bugfix" update!?
For the new feature of the customizable toolbar - this has been possible in the Mac version a long time ago already incl. for 3rd party tools and ruby plugins. But now it can only be customized with native tools(!). Every restart will wipe out all non-native plugins and tools.. Sorry, but this is a step back and not a new feature! Now given the speedy development of the past, one tends to assume that it might get re-addressed again as a "new feature" in SU2014..

Does this mean no customizable toolbar (Just native tools is as good as none). The toolbars and windows in both SU and LO are the worse in any program I've seen. Who would purposely create such a mess? Now they took out the only thing that works. Before I say more...