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    • EarthMoverE Offline
      EarthMover
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      I remember this being asked for before, but can't find anywhere that it was produced. Looking for a simple plugin that will allow the user to select an edge or series of edges (obviously edges that support a face on either side) and input the desired width, depth and taper parameters and it will create a groove where the edge was. It would be fine if it were restricted to only edges which support co-planar faces. Thanks in advance.

      3D Artist at Clearstory 3D Imaging
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      • mitcorbM Offline
        mitcorb
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        I seem to remember it. I think TIG did something on it, or described the workflow.

        I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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        • mitcorbM Offline
          mitcorb
          last edited by

          Well here is a mangled model using offset and pushpull, then with arc follow me, then circle and follow me
          But I know you want an automated process.

          Let me see if I can find anything on that.


          Edge 2 Groove test model.png

          I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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          • mitcorbM Offline
            mitcorb
            last edited by

            And that is the alternative I did not try.

            I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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            • mitcorbM Offline
              mitcorb
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              http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=41095&p=364148&hilit=%2Agroove%2A#p364148
              featuring Jeff Hammond, Dave Richards and others.

              I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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              • pilouP Offline
                pilou
                last edited by

                Seems multiface-offset by Remus + inverse selection by Tig

                • Joint PushPull by fredo 6 can maybe make the trick 😉

                rainure.jpg

                Not exactly the same , i must find another trick 😒

                Maybe something with Windowizer ?
                Or some extrude edges by Tig?

                Or something like this 😄
                Problem is extract internal face

                Extract first face + last face: copy move somewhere
                Extract one path with any method
                (one funny is: Select all, Convert to Xline,
                Select all, Edges from Construction :guides lines, Kill all except one path)

                2 faces + Path with option = we have only internal faces ☀
                select only edges : copy move somewhere = we have the profiles
                Draw a little square surface on the ground : Extrude Edges by faces by Tig
                = we have the volumes to bolean diff from the original volume
                works only with the V8 Pro for the boolean diff

                Frenchy Pilou
                Is beautiful that please without concept!
                My Little site :)

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                • EarthMoverE Offline
                  EarthMover
                  last edited by

                  Thanks guys.

                  The methodology is quite simple, just looking to automate a tedious task.

                  Pilou, what you've done can be achieved with a single tool - "Protrude" from Jim.

                  Boolean makes a lot of sense, as in Jeff's example, but creating the cutting object is still tedious on something like wood deck or brick banding.

                  Here is a simple video of what I'm looking to achieve.

                  [flash=420,315:255ldakm]http://www.youtube.com/v/ivSEfcAVRjE[/flash:255ldakm]

                  3D Artist at Clearstory 3D Imaging
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                  • TIGT Online
                    TIG Moderator
                    last edited by

                    I'm still thinking about it...
                    It is quite complex to automate as there are many possibilities of coplanar faces and innie/outie angles etc...

                    TIG

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                    • pbacotP Offline
                      pbacot
                      last edited by

                      @tig said:

                      I'm still thinking about it...

                      I can tell, by that swishing tail. 😄

                      MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                      • EarthMoverE Offline
                        EarthMover
                        last edited by

                        Thanks TIG for giving it some thought. Glad to know a worthy mind is pondering it. I can definitely see how the all the different variables make it tough to automate and assume that is why the request went unfulfilled in the past. Even a script with limited scenario capability would be helpful.

                        3D Artist at Clearstory 3D Imaging
                        Guide Tool at Winning With Sketchup
                        Content Creator at Skapeup

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                        • jeff hammondJ Offline
                          jeff hammond
                          last edited by

                          right.. drawing all the pieces to subtract can be the part that takes the longest.

                          one thing to note, if you do end up going that route, is that you can have multiple solids inside a group and it will still count as a single solid. (so the Boolean action can happen once instead of doing each 'C' (in this case) individually.).. it can't be soild groups inside a group though.. all raw geometry inside one single group.

                          in other words.. draw two unconnected cubes.. group them together.. these cubes will be recognized as a solid group and can be used with the solid tools.

                          good luck.

                          dotdotdot

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                          • HieruH Offline
                            Hieru
                            last edited by

                            I can think of so many different applications for this kind of tool. For tiles, bricks, wooden flooring etc, etc, it'll be a great time saver.

                            www.davidhier.co.uk

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                            • EarthMoverE Offline
                              EarthMover
                              last edited by

                              @unknownuser said:

                              right.. drawing all the pieces to subtract can be the part that takes the longest.

                              one thing to note, if you do end up going that route, is that you can have multiple solids inside a group and it will still count as a single solid. (so the Boolean action can happen once instead of doing each 'C' (in this case) individually.).. it can't be soild groups inside a group though.. all raw geometry inside one single group.

                              in other words.. draw two unconnected cubes.. group them together.. these cubes will be recognized as a solid group and can be used with the solid tools.

                              good luck.

                              True, ultimately it may just easier to automate the cutting object process through ruby. Something like "Lines to cube tube" Something like Didier's "Lines to Tubes" except that it will create 4 sided solid cutting object or shelled multiple objects. Unfortunately free users would not benefit from this. I wish Profile Builder worked on multiple paths at the same time.

                              3D Artist at Clearstory 3D Imaging
                              Guide Tool at Winning With Sketchup
                              Content Creator at Skapeup

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                              • pilouP Offline
                                pilou
                                last edited by

                                In my sens for a Rubyman
                                Just modify the "Multiple face offset" with only 2 lateral sides against 4 ! So a special offset!
                                And my first trick will be quasi perfect! 😉

                                But there are surely another possibilities 😄
                                Cool headache 👍

                                Frenchy Pilou
                                Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                My Little site :)

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                                • pilouP Offline
                                  pilou
                                  last edited by

                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  what you've done can be achieved with a single tool - "Protrude" from Jim.

                                  Effectively! 😄
                                  Can you post you your example in V6 ?
                                  Does has "internal faces" ?

                                  Frenchy Pilou
                                  Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                  My Little site :)

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                                  • EarthMoverE Offline
                                    EarthMover
                                    last edited by

                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    Effectively! 😄
                                    Can you post you your example in V6 ?
                                    Does has "internal faces" ?

                                    Sorry Pilou...don't have V6 installed anymore. See shots from V8. The internal faces are removed.

                                    The protrude tool (http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2007/10/plugin-protrude.html) is effective for doing flat surface grooves such as hardwood flooring, etc. It's where the groove has to turn a corner that is the issue. I wonder if it could be adapted to do the same thing, but instead of regular offset and push pull, use the Offset on Surface method and Joint Push pull. This would allow you to soften the corners, then the tool could just offset the grooves and JPP the faces.


                                    protrude.jpg


                                    protrude_Inside.jpg

                                    3D Artist at Clearstory 3D Imaging
                                    Guide Tool at Winning With Sketchup
                                    Content Creator at Skapeup

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                                    • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                      jeff hammond
                                      last edited by

                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      I wish Profile Builder worked on multiple paths at the same time.

                                      it does.. select all the lines then use the 2nd icon (build along path followme.. or smthg like that)

                                      the problem however is going to be that the vertical tubes won't orient properly in your drawing.. they'll all be on the XY instead of rotating.

                                      dotdotdot

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                                      • EarthMoverE Offline
                                        EarthMover
                                        last edited by

                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        I wish Profile Builder worked on multiple paths at the same time.

                                        it does.. select all the lines then use the 2nd icon (build along path followme.. or smthg like that)

                                        Doesn't seem to work on multiple closed edge loops, i.e. the test model I posted. Although you are right, on non closed edge loops, multiple selections does work, which is great. Creating the profile from middle and then outer shelling them makes a great groove cutting group, even with curves.

                                        3D Artist at Clearstory 3D Imaging
                                        Guide Tool at Winning With Sketchup
                                        Content Creator at Skapeup

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                                        • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                          jeff hammond
                                          last edited by

                                          @earthmover said:

                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          I wish Profile Builder worked on multiple paths at the same time.

                                          it does.. select all the lines then use the 2nd icon (build along path followme.. or smthg like that)

                                          Doesn't seem to work on multiple closed edge loops, i.e. the test model I posted. Although you are right, on non closed edge loops, multiple selections does work, which is great. Creating the profile from middle and then outer shelling them makes a great groove cutting group, even with curves.

                                          oh. my bad. I'm on a phone today with only a slight memory of seeing your model last night 😉
                                          I thought the grooves were Cs instead of rectangles.

                                          dotdotdot

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                                          • pilouP Offline
                                            pilou
                                            last edited by

                                            @unknownuser said:

                                            Sorry Pilou...don't have V6 installed anymore.

                                            Last V8 don't permit Save as V6 ? 😲

                                            The viewer V8 don't work on my old computer! 😳

                                            Frenchy Pilou
                                            Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                            My Little site :)

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