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  • D Offline
    dale
    last edited by 23 Aug 2012, 13:15

    Hey, great concept, and challenge.
    Here is a pavilion designed as a project by a team of the students at M.I.T architecture school. It uses a system of Kerf cutting, which is not new in woodworking by any means, but the technology available to accurately execute it is.

    Screen shot 2012-08-23 at 6.00.51 AM.png
    Here is their brief:

    This pavilion is the culmination of a semester's research into a novel digital fabrication technique by a team of graduate students in the MIT Department of Architecture. The design of the pavilion is the result of an old technique reinvented using digital strategies and tools. Kerfing, the cutting of wood to add flexibility, has a long history in wood working. Our research combined the material logic of kerfing with the flexibility of parametric modeling and the accuracy of a CNC router. Our parametric model integrated all the digital steps in the modeling and fabrication process, from initial control over the global form to the unrolling and generation of the cut patterns required to make each unit. The patterns allow the plywood to be bent into a predictable shape without the use of additional tools or techniques.The pavilion is a manifestation of new possibilities for design and construction.Screen shot 2012-08-23 at 6.00.43 AM.png
    This looks like a plywood based system, but the Haida, the aboriginal natives to Haida Gwaii have been employing it for centuries using solid woods (cedar in particular), kerf cut and bent from a single piece of wood.Screen shot 2012-08-23 at 6.11.34 AM.png

    I wouldn't hesitate to try and contact the MIT folks. Maybe an arrangement can be worked out.
    Good luck with this one πŸ‘

    Just monkeying around....like Monsanto

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      Rich O Brien Moderator
      last edited by 28 Aug 2012, 20:07

      Beaten to the punch....

      http://www.fatihcansarioz.com/31306/325102/works/kure

      [xxl-img:l0yqt063]http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles21/729363/projects/2598441/hd_edd0edb44fcb77a09d5060e34f6a399e.jpg[/xxl-img:l0yqt063]

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      • B Offline
        beginner
        last edited by 28 Aug 2012, 20:16

        TIG, you would need some power supply. Isn't it? πŸ˜„ or one battery 9V ❓

        Regards, SU 'beginner'

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        • H Offline
          hellnbak
          last edited by 29 Aug 2012, 14:16

          Really nice design, very imaginative πŸ‘

          One observation - it looks like the chair backs would maybe be weak (I'm assuming you would use wooden dowels, since you mentioned you wanted to use all timber)

          "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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            ArCAD-UK
            last edited by 29 Aug 2012, 14:33

            Nice idea Mike, I'm working on some compact living projects and it's the sort of solution the end user might like. Obviously this is probably personal preference but if you can sit on a bar stool at a breakfast bar then why do you need to provide a back support.

            I'd agree with TIG the table lift needs some work maybe an office chair type gas strut.

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            • E Offline
              EscapeArtist
              last edited by 29 Aug 2012, 18:13

              I like it, but perhaps you might consider the flanges that are the supports for the base of table. Myself being rather tall and occasionally clumsy, I view those as knee-banging table rattlers. I would waste no time in scooting my seat forward and capsizing a beverage with a well placed knee-shot to the support. A flat, wide, bar-like support that rests directly on the floor or uses slightly recessed wheels would eliminated those bruises and toppled glasses of wine. Low enough to slide beneath the chair base, obviously.

              Just a thought.

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              • M Offline
                Mike Lucey
                last edited by 30 Aug 2012, 00:00

                @Rich
                You have not studied the concept. The design is primarily a coffee table then an occasional dining table.

                While the kΓΌre looks funky, it becomes a big useless blob sitting in the middle of the room taking up valuable space when not being used as a dining table πŸ˜‰

                @ Steve
                Yep, you are right. the chair backs are weak. I have to work on that. Maybe even drop the backs.

                @ArCAD-UK / Trevor B
                TIG is right. Lifting the glass table top would require a fair amount of muscle work. I am thinking of going with a lighter wood (ply) top and a very simple way of having two heights - coffee table - dining table.

                @Jeff
                I'm designing for normal humans! Just kidding πŸ˜„
                I take your point. I now think there is no need for casters on either the table or chairs, just some gliders (very short ones) like on sofas, but much smaller.

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                • T Offline
                  TIG Moderator
                  last edited by 30 Aug 2012, 08:15

                  The table-top could have a concealed hydraulic ram - like a hatchback car's door, or even some 'springs to assist you in lifting it up easily. To lower it you'd release the 'catch' and it is damped as it settles down too...
                  OR 'Ratchet' strips could also allow an incremental lift and lower using a simple sprung 'catch' [that could all be wooden]
                  OR how about a 'lever' system in one of the legs [with a flip down/up pedal that is accessed when a chair is slid out] - that can then 'jack' the table up [like a car bottle-jack?] and when released it lets the top slowly settle back down... πŸ€“

                  TIG

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                  • M Offline
                    Mike Lucey
                    last edited by 30 Aug 2012, 10:18

                    Great suggestions TIG. I will play around with those.

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                    • H Offline
                      hellnbak
                      last edited by 30 Aug 2012, 12:20

                      Hey Mike, I got to thinking about the seat back problem, and this is something I came up with.

                      Adding the extra layer would let you increase the thickness of the seat back. This could also work with the wooden dowels.
                      a.png
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                      Probably not the look you were going for, with all the curves, I just started having fun with it πŸ˜† But you get the idea

                      Anyhow, just an idea.

                      "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                      • M Offline
                        Mike Lucey
                        last edited by 30 Aug 2012, 21:01

                        That works Steve, well done πŸ‘

                        I am moving towards doing even a more straightforward design that doesn't involve curved plywood.

                        This is great as it turning into a collaboration πŸ‘

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                        • T Offline
                          TIG Moderator
                          last edited by 30 Aug 2012, 21:27

                          @mike lucey said:

                          That works Steve, well done πŸ‘

                          I am moving towards doing even a more straightforward design that doesn't involve curved plywood.

                          This is great as it turning into a collaboration πŸ‘
                          A square table and 4 square chairs ? 🀣

                          TIG

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                            Mike Lucey
                            last edited by 30 Aug 2012, 23:52

                            Now there's an idea 😲

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                              TIG Moderator
                              last edited by 31 Aug 2012, 10:23

                              The Sqhair
                              Economical on material too.
                              Simply table-sawn and router rounded-corners etc as needed etc.
                              The table can use a simple foot-operated bottle-jack mechanism to lift it up and on release lower down.
                              The storage under the seats is set back a little to avoid heel-clashes.
                              The seat-back half 'L' slides up/down on dado friction glides [Γ  la draw-slides] with a catch to it lock 'up' ?
                              When the seats are removed from the assembly they are set around the table at 45 degrees on the sides of the square. The seats are on castors.


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                              Sqhair.skp

                              TIG

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                              • H Offline
                                hellnbak
                                last edited by 31 Aug 2012, 10:46

                                Nice, but those seat-backs don't look very comfortable

                                "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                                • M Offline
                                  Mike Lucey
                                  last edited by 31 Aug 2012, 11:00

                                  Now we are getting places.

                                  TIG, would that table have a bit of wobble potential? Also I think Steve might be right about the backs not being too comfy.

                                  Have you a pic of a 'foot-operated bottle-jack mechanism'? I'm curious about that.

                                  I'm not so sure about the seats being on casters but they could be lockable. I think slides might work better.

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                                  • A Offline
                                    ArCAD-UK
                                    last edited by 31 Aug 2012, 11:34

                                    An octagonal shape applied to TIG's design would sort out the seat backs.

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                                      solo
                                      last edited by 31 Aug 2012, 12:24

                                      http://cdn.dornob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/combined-wood-table-chairs-design.jpg

                                      http://www.solos-art.com

                                      If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                      • H Offline
                                        hellnbak
                                        last edited by 31 Aug 2012, 12:39

                                        One possible solution to the seat-back

                                        Sorta looks like a toilet with the seat folded down πŸ˜†


                                        b.png


                                        a.png

                                        "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                                          hellnbak
                                          last edited by 31 Aug 2012, 13:09

                                          Maybe a couple of padded armrests for comfort (they could flip up for extra storage)


                                          c.png

                                          "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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