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    Edson
    last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 00:43

    @bmike said:

    Are you using TIGs HolePunch? I found that to be the problem.

    yes, I have it in my plugins folder. I will report here as soon as I have tested the solid tools without it in my plugins folder.

    but if HolePunch is causing the conflict, I am sure TIG will find the reason for that. I am more than thankful to him for all the time I have saved using his numerous scripts.

    edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre β€’ brasil
    http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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      bmike
      last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 00:49

      @edson said:

      I am more than thankful to him for all the time I have saved using his numerous scripts.

      +1,000, for sure. lots of helpful things from TIG have passed through my SketchUp models.

      mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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        jbacus
        last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 01:26

        @edson said:

        I have 325 items on my plugins folder.

        ...that's kind of a lot of plugins, Edson...

        john
        .

        "...exaggerate the essential and leave the obvious unclear." --Vincent Van Gogh

        John Bacus
        jbacus@sketchup.com

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          TIG Moderator
          last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 09:25

          I assume you don't have the 'Outliner' window open whilst you are doing these operations - that is a known and notorious cause of crashes...

          The HolePunch tool does use observers to ensure that the cutting component and its 'hole' are 'linked' they select, move together etc.

          I assume the objects you are trying to 'boolean' are simple non-cutting instances that haven't any 'hole-punching' connections... The HolePunchSelectionObserver only kicks in if certain prerequisites are met like component behavior and paired attributes... There is also a tools Observer that spots if you are 'copying' punched-objects... but again I don't see how that might kick in in this case...

          Clearly Hole Punching works 'safely' on my PC and also for many other users, I am [currently] at a loss as to why it might be causing this in your specific case[s]... I get Edson's example to boolean perfectly in all varieties with HolePunching enabled ???

          The code is 'open' so if Google spot what might be up I'd be more than grateful... πŸ˜•

          TIG

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            Edson
            last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 10:45

            @tig said:

            I assume you don't have the 'Outliner' window open whilst you are doing these operations - that is a known and notorious cause of crashes...

            The HolePunch tool does use observers to ensure that the cutting component and its 'hole' are 'linked' they select, move together etc.

            I assume the objects you are trying to 'boolean' are simple non-cutting instances that haven't any 'hole-punching' connections... The HolePunchSelectionObserver only kicks in if certain prerequisites are met like component behavior and paired attributes... There is also a tools Observer that spots if you are 'copying' punched-objects... but again I don't see how that might kick in in this case...

            Clearly Hole Punching works 'safely' on my PC and also for many other users, I am [currently] at a loss as to why it might be causing this in your specific case[s]... I get Edson's example to boolean perfectly in all varieties with HolePunching enabled ???

            The code is 'open' so if Google spot what might be up I'd be more than grateful... πŸ˜•

            TIG,

            yes, you are right. my outliner window was closed.

            I removed the HolePunchTool from my plugins folder and tried the solid tools with all the files with which I had problems before. no problems at all. I am not sure this is conclusive evidence but it looks like there is some kind of conflict between HolePunchTool and Solid Tools on mac.

            edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre β€’ brasil
            http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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              TIG Moderator
              last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 10:51

              Are there any MAC users with 'HolePunch' loaded who are getting good results with Solid Tools too ?
              Perhaps Google can cast some light on what might be happening... πŸ˜•

              TIG

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                TriciaS
                last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 13:02

                Hi all,

                We'll take a look and see if we can figure out what the conflict is.

                Tricia

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                  Gaieus
                  last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 13:05

                  Hi Tricia, long time no see! I hope you are fine!

                  Gai...

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                    bmike
                    last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 13:14

                    @tig said:

                    I assume you don't have the 'Outliner' window open whilst you are doing these operations - that is a known and notorious cause of crashes...

                    The HolePunch tool does use observers to ensure that the cutting component and its 'hole' are 'linked' they select, move together etc.

                    I assume the objects you are trying to 'boolean' are simple non-cutting instances that haven't any 'hole-punching' connections... The HolePunchSelectionObserver only kicks in if certain prerequisites are met like component behavior and paired attributes... There is also a tools Observer that spots if you are 'copying' punched-objects... but again I don't see how that might kick in in this case...

                    Clearly Hole Punching works 'safely' on my PC and also for many other users, I am [currently] at a loss as to why it might be causing this in your specific case[s]... I get Edson's example to boolean perfectly in all varieties with HolePunching enabled ???

                    The code is 'open' so if Google spot what might be up I'd be more than grateful... πŸ˜•

                    Outliner closed (only open when I really need it!)
                    The model and examples I posted did not have any objects that had made use of the HolePunch tool - I can create a new model, a few solids, and if HolePunch is in the folder, it will crash.

                    As I said - to have the solids tools work with HolePunch in my Plugins folder, I need to use groups, and not components to perform the solid operation. This may be a clue, but I'm not a programmer...

                    My guess - HolePunch and SolidTools conflict with how they handle creating copies of components while performing their operations.

                    I'm not sure which version of HolePunch I'm running - but I will go back to the thread and find your latest update and see if this causes any problems.

                    mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                      bmike
                      last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 13:20

                      OK, running your latest update of the #HolePunch.rb things seem to be working fine.

                      I've attached the previous version I had which appeared to cause the issues.


                      #HolePunchTool.txt

                      mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                        TIG Moderator
                        last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 13:58

                        Thanks bmike.
                        Bmike was on v1.6 πŸ˜’
                        Edson - do you have the latest copy of HolePunch ? It should be v2.0 http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=271170#p271170

                        ...
                        1.7 20110121 Observers are now first removed then added to avoid duplication and rare clashes with other scripts.
                        1.8 20110208 Finding Cutting Component's 'loop' edges to match with punched hole algorithm improved to avoid glitches if multiple edges in the Z=0 plane.
                        1.9 20110209 Context-menu code recast to avoid exacerbating gray-out issue.
                        2.0 20110309 Punched hole algorithm improved for nested groups/components.

                        These 4 updates since then might have already fixed the 'clash' issue ❓

                        TIG

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                          bmike
                          last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 14:17

                          @tig said:

                          Thanks bmike.
                          Bmike was on v1.6 πŸ˜’
                          Edson - do you have the latest copy of HolePunch ? It should be v2.0 http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=271170#p271170

                          ...
                          1.7 20110121 Observers are now first removed then added to avoid duplication and rare clashes with other scripts.
                          1.8 20110208 Finding Cutting Component's 'loop' edges to match with punched hole algorithm improved to avoid glitches if multiple edges in the Z=0 plane.
                          1.9 20110209 Context-menu code recast to avoid exacerbating gray-out issue.
                          2.0 20110309 Punched hole algorithm improved for nested groups/components.

                          These 4 updates since then might have already fixed the 'clash' issue ❓

                          Tough for me to keep up with all the updates and plugins!!!

                          Glad we solved my problem. Hopefully this works for Edson!!!

                          mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                            TriciaS
                            last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 17:57

                            Hi Csaba - hope you are fine as well πŸ˜›

                            Sounds like this issue may be solved. TIG/Edson - just let me know if you want us to look into anything.

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                              Edson
                              last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 18:56

                              good news. the version I had installed was 1.6. I updated it and ran all the tests. it worked perfectly! no crashes. 😍

                              thanks to all of you for cracking this one.

                              edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre β€’ brasil
                              http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                                TIG Moderator
                                last edited by 24 Mar 2011, 23:24

                                Hooray! πŸ˜„

                                So it looks like I had fixed the problem even BEFORE you realized you had it... had you only kept HolePunch up to date πŸ˜’

                                At least I can sleep tonight...... πŸ˜’ πŸ˜‰

                                TIG

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                                  Edson
                                  last edited by 25 Mar 2011, 14:52

                                  @tig said:

                                  Hooray! πŸ˜„

                                  So it looks like I had fixed the problem even BEFORE you realized you had it... had you only kept HolePunch up to date πŸ˜’

                                  At least I can sleep tonight...... πŸ˜’ πŸ˜‰

                                  yes, I wish I could keep up to date with so many good plugins. 😲

                                  you should not lose sleep over that. your credit with us is enormous. πŸ‘

                                  edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre β€’ brasil
                                  http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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                                    Gaieus
                                    last edited by 26 Mar 2011, 06:27

                                    We could create a global announcement for "Critical plugin updates" and from time-to-time, post news there when it turns out that a plugin conflicts with something and users should update.

                                    Gai...

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                                      Edson
                                      last edited by 26 Mar 2011, 10:59

                                      I was also having crashes when using chris's Shape Bender. after updating HolePunchTool that problem also went away! 😍

                                      edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre β€’ brasil
                                      http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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