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    • dermotcollD Offline
      dermotcoll
      last edited by

      Thanks guys

      Did that and I didnt see the hdri image anywhere in the model - should I have seen it and if so why didnt I?

      I just did a quick render and there is something showing behind the studio set up - I take it I should have deleted the studio setup if Im using HDRi?

      When you burn your arse - you gotta sit on the blisters!!

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      • soloS Offline
        solo
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        The studio is there to block the HDR image and only allow the reflections and illumination of the HDRI, you should be able to see the reflections on any shiny surface now.

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        • dermotcollD Offline
          dermotcoll
          last edited by

          Hi SOlo

          If the studio is there to BLOCKthe HDRi image - how can reflections and iluminations from the HDRi actually effect / affect the model. I am cooking an image in Twilight on Medium now and when its is finished I will post it - if you could point out what you mean on it I would appreciate it. Slainte.

          edit - what a d**khead - I deleted the studio on this one so I am seeing the HDRi image now all around the still life model. I will cook another when its finished and compare and contrast!!


          still life1.jpg

          When you burn your arse - you gotta sit on the blisters!!

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          • GaieusG Offline
            Gaieus
            last edited by

            Ah yes, the studio is only needed to

            1. have something "underneath" (otherwise you won't have shadosw cast anywhere) and
            2. to have something that - by reflecting the light coming from anywhere - gives a nice, global illumination to the scene.

            Gai...

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            • GaieusG Offline
              Gaieus
              last edited by

              That's not fair, Chris. If I had been told that I can have too apples, maybe I'de've joined, too!
              😮

              Gai...

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              • dermotcollD Offline
                dermotcoll
                last edited by

                Just to make me feel better Chris!! 👊 - you go and get more apples and a drink - I hope thats vodka in that glass cos I'm ready for it right about now!!!!

                When you burn your arse - you gotta sit on the blisters!!

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                • K Offline
                  kwistenbiebel
                  last edited by

                  Thanks for the improved model Solo. 👍
                  A 'render tip of the week' could be: no good renders without good models.

                  Here's my entry:

                  Skindigo:

                  http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/kwistenbiebel1/still-life.jpg

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                  • dermotcollD Offline
                    dermotcoll
                    last edited by

                    Okay - here is the second one with the studio back in - let me have it!!

                    Edit - just spotted the dark shadow to the bottom left of the placemat - there are not lights except for the HDRi image so I was wondering what was causing this?


                    still life2.jpg

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                    • GaieusG Offline
                      Gaieus
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                      Why is that black stain in the lower left corner of the napkin?

                      Otherwise, as you can see, when there is only the image background is giving light, there are no shadows at all. Yes, I suggested before to disable sunlight but maybe a little bit (just for some subtle shadows) is not bad. You can turn it down to 1-2 from the default 5. Like here (obviously I have polished the apple too much a bit but my mom told me to always carefully wash fruits before eating - also, the glass should not cast that crazy shadow)


                      tets2.jpg

                      Gai...

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                      • Rich O BrienR Offline
                        Rich O Brien Moderator
                        last edited by

                        Hi Dermot,

                        Have you set the place mat with a reflective surface?

                        I feel your pain on the 'Learning to Render' front. It's breaking my liathroidi 😉

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                        • dermotcollD Offline
                          dermotcoll
                          last edited by

                          Cheers Gaieus

                          I havent a clue what that dark patch is - I thought it might be something to do with the still life sitting on the sudio set up but the 1st image doesnt have the studio and yet it is still there.

                          I am moving out of the dark already on this subject already thanks to you guys (pardon the pun) I must go away and practice with some simple modwls now just to see how they are affected by lights, positioning etc.

                          Thanks again

                          😉

                          When you burn your arse - you gotta sit on the blisters!!

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                          • K Offline
                            kwistenbiebel
                            last edited by

                            @dermotcoll said:

                            Just to make me feel better Chris!! 👊 - you go and get more apples and a drink - I hope thats vodka in that glass cos I'm ready for it right about now!!!!

                            Not sure about the wodka, but here you go. 😄

                            Bon appetit!

                            Skindigo:

                            http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r3/kwistenbiebel1/still-life-2.jpg

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                            • Al HartA Offline
                              Al Hart
                              last edited by

                              @kwistenbiebel said:

                              Thanks for the improved model Solo. 👍
                              A 'render tip of the week' could be: no good renders without good models.

                              Here's my entry:

                              Wow! good work.

                              You were probably kidding about the rendering tip.

                              Actually, some of the tips are about how to make good renderings without good models.

                              We are assuming that sometimes you are given the model by someone else in the firm, and have to do the best you can with it. I suppose you could always modify it, to replace single face glass window with double face windows. But perhaps not.

                              Al Hart

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                              • dermotcollD Offline
                                dermotcoll
                                last edited by

                                Hi Rich

                                I dont think so - it is generic soft. Will play about with it and see what I can come up with - as for my liathroidi - they are totally deflated by now. I'm off to me bed to dream of apples and vodka - now theres an idea for a drink!!!!

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                                • soloS Offline
                                  solo
                                  last edited by

                                  Nice renders Chris, more apples more fun.

                                  http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9112/stilllife3.jpg

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                                  • P Offline
                                    pav_3j
                                    last edited by

                                    @dermotcoll said:

                                    Hi Rich

                                    I dont think so - it is generic soft. Will play about with it and see what I can come up with - as for my liathroidi - they are totally deflated by now. I'm off to me bed to dream of apples and vodka - now theres an idea for a drink!!!!

                                    sorry to burst your bubble my friend!

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                                    • dermotcollD Offline
                                      dermotcoll
                                      last edited by

                                      Pav - thanks for bursting my bubble- it now matches the state of my liathroidi!!!!

                                      Here is the hird attempt with an omni light directed at the dark patch - as you can see it is still there so its not a shadow - anyone any ideas whats causing it?


                                      still life3.jpg

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                                      • N Offline
                                        notareal
                                        last edited by

                                        dermotcoll, could that be a back-face issue. Looks like surface normals of that tabled are a bit messed.

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                                        • K Offline
                                          kwistenbiebel
                                          last edited by

                                          It seems to be something else. The bright bit is the reflection of the studio setup 'bowl' thing, while the dark part is the top of the HDRI,which is dark at the top.
                                          You might want to load a different HDR or maybe make the 'studio bowl' material darker....(Never use a colour lighter than RGB 220,220,220 for any material)
                                          Also, did you put reflection on that place mat material? If yes, lower it down.

                                          (Could also be too much 'geometry smoothing' going on on that place mat --> lower down 'soften edges')

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                                          • D Offline
                                            dacad
                                            last edited by

                                            Solo
                                            What render engine are you using?Vray? you're render looks too much CG for Vray. Is that with a sun source or a heri studio?

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