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• SketchUp Help Center : Improving Performance : Optimizing your modeling techniques

please don't full-quote everything for answering, tia.

@jhearcht said:

I have Pro versions of SU 5&6...

@jhearcht said:

But my old serial number didn't work for the license. And it asked for an authorization number that I don't have.

SUP license data is in general version specific, the serial no of a SUP v8 license starts with a "M...".

logged in to Windows as a local user of the system or as a domain user?

@garystan said:

sfto1 :
So....Sketchup 2017 Free...is "FREE".

Discontinued SketchUp Make 2017 (desktop) as well as the new SketchUp Free (browser) are free for non-commercial purposes only.

Commercial work requires a license of SketchUp Pro (desktop) or subscribing SketchUp Shop (browser).

@john2 said:

I am on a limited budget of 45000 Indian Rupees.
... Autocad 2D, Illustrator, ... V-Ray .... Revit, Rhino and Grasshopper ... Photoshop ... Adobe InDesign ... Adobe Photoshop ... Adobe Premiere.

impressive

vector based applications as CAD systems or graphics applications do typically not benefit from multiple cores, raster based applications can.

The modeling performance of SketchUp, AutoCAD, Revit, Rhino does rely on the single-thread perforamnce of the CPU, compare it here.

@calypsoart said:

My machines do not have multiple users or accounts set up. I believe I am the administrator.

right, the Windows default user has administrative rights. Important is, not to install under an other user account but the same which should be used for SU.

@calypsoart said:

I am looking at trying a GTX 1060 or 1060.

which is the same? Everything from a GTX 1050Ti (or better) is typically fine, the GTX 1060 does have a pretty good price-performance-relation. V-RAM dependend on screen resolution, better more than regretting later. Be aware, that higher screen resolutions (e.g. 4K) do have an impact on the screen output performance, i.e. need more GPU power.

P.S.: don't full quote, thanks.

@calypsoart said:

...but Sketchup takes almost a minute to load, as does almost any SU file. Once loaded, it functions normally.

if launching SU without resp with an empty document requires minute(s) there is surely something havoc normally not related to hardware. Is there any CPU activity related to SU during startup (see Windows Task Manager: "Win+R > taskmgr")?

First do an uninstall, restart Windows with the desired user account (not admin etc.) and launch the SU setup routine by "right-click > Run as Admin".

Ensure that no plugins (besides the SU natives) are installed/running (see "Window > Extension Manager...").

If you can get hold of (e.g. lend) another graphics card (nVidia GeForce GTX rec.), rip off the FirePro v5900 (being lame anyhow) and give it a try.

@calypsoart said:

I'm currently finding this to be correct as I do research. However, in the past it was easier to find FirePros cheaper than Radeons.

FirePros were never cheaper than Radeons of comparable performance... besides maybe the last time because of the mining hype.

@calypsoart said:

...I'm looking at the Quadro P1000 which draws 47w. I'll see if an equivalent GTX 10XX can be had for less.

The GTX 1050Ti (TDP 75W covered by PCIe slot) is approx. 10% faster than a Quadro P1000 and available from MSI and Gigaybte as low-profile version (covering 2 slots) starting at roughly 175 bucks (P1000: ~340 bucks).

@calypsoart said:

Also, what do you think are the benefits of the GTX over the Quadros? They seem to have price similar price points and look like a bigger footprint.

the models of the CAD series (nVidia Quadro, AMD FirePro) of comparable performance are regularly more expensive than the consumer series (nVidia GeForce, AMD Radeon). If comparing in the same price range the Quadro will be slower resp. the GeForce will be faster and therefore have a bigger footprint.

You may want compare performance here.

in short, don't use AMD Radeons (flaky OpenGL support), don't use expensive CAD models (no advantage for SU).

P.S.: please avoid senseless full quotes, tia.

besides the AR functionality which is an in-app purchase now (U$ 9.99/year):

@unknownuser said:

• SketchUp Viewer’s standard model viewing features are now FREE!
• Augmented reality (AR) viewing features enable you to experience your 3D models by merging them with the world around you. (Available via in-app purchase. $9.99 USD/yr.)
• SketchUp Viewer now supports Apple’s Files app, making it easy to open models from Dropbox, Google Drive, iCloud and other file storage apps.
• The Select tool and Entity Info panel put information about edge lengths, the area of faces, volume of solids, and component and group definitions at your fingertips.

• Release Announcement

@calypsoart said:

Still, Quadros are not cheap. I'll be on the lookout for a good used P2000 in the future.

CAD graphics card series are not required for your listed applications, actually they are burning money for no benefit.

Buy a capable nVidia GeForce GTX 1060 6G and you're fine, as make Asus and MSI are recommendable.

@jonfar said:

thats good to know, because my 100+ mb files lag a bit
...that Sketchup was mostly CPU/RAM intensive...

SU is CPU intensive (single-thread performance), nevertheless for a balanced system an appropriate GPU (as well as enough RAM) is of course required too. Don't invest to much in a GPU, at least for sole SU modeling purposes, otherwise you will be disappointed.

you'll surely see improvements in SU too, at least w/ high polycount (aka big) models.

a GTX 1060 6GB might do it already, the GTX 1070 very likely:

PassMark Video Card (GPU) Benchmarks - High End Video Cards

Video Card Benchmarks - Over 1,000,000 Video Cards and 3,900 Models Benchmarked and compared in graph form - This page contains a graph which includes benchmark results for high end Video Cards - such as recently released ATI and nVidia video cards using the PCI-Express standard.

(www.videocardbenchmark.net)

crashes at startup are typically related to the following 3 reasons:

1.) Win: faulty OpenGL support of used graphics card driver
2.) incompatible or faulty extensions/plugins
3.) Win: faulty program installation

to fix:
1.) Win: update to latest version
1.) Win: ensure that SU is running on a dedicated graphics card (preferrably a nVidia GeForce) if available instead of an integrated graphics sub-system as e.g. the intel HD: "nVidia Control Panel > 3D Settings > SketchUp...")
2.) disable Ruby extensions/scripts by adding the following parameter to the SU command line:
- Win: "...\SketchUp.exe /DisableRubyAPI"
- Mac: "...\SketchUp.exe -DisableRubyAPI YES"
3.) Win: install by: "right-click > Run as Administrator"
3.) Win: ensure that the required SU prerequisites (= MS runtime libraries) are fully installed resp. download and install them manually

if you still have access to the unrecovered data/drive you may want try the capable (but commercial) 'GetDataBack' (trial avail.) for advanced recovery purposes.

good luck,

P.S.: save early, safe often (old sayin')

• SketchUp Help Center : Improving Performance

@titatonio said:

It's very important to me, to be able to restore these files.

if older revisions or backup files (.SKB) do exist, you may want try to recover them by using the capable "GetDataBack" recovery software (trial avail.).

Don't write anything further to the thumb drive to avoid damaging hidden instances of the required files.

if you never had activated the successor versions 2017/2018 of the concerning licences there should be no problem activating SUP version 2016 on a new system.

In order to do this, you should deactivate the product activations on the old systems (see "Help > License...") at least after the product activations on the new system succeeded. Sothat the Trimble license server credits the deactivation of these product activations by decreasing the license activation counter.

All of this information should be available by your local reseller also.