@thomthom said:

@alan fraser said:

Moderator wand? I've never heard it called that before.

I moderate you long time!

Maybe send people (like myself) to the private consulting room.
Charge $$ for anger issues.

I would have thought some Plugins would be native by now.
How about something like Artesan in the pro version?
2013, not ONE change to needed functions of core program? Come on.
It's like they say. "Let all those Ruby guys do our heavy lifting".
How many pro user use SU w/o plugins?
Not one improvement to material/texture handling?
The list goes on.
Heres the way to look at it.
Remove all plugins from the SU, now and ask yourself what have they done in the last 5 updates?

@unknownuser said:

Did the hard re-boot. .. really hard. Steel-toed. . .

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I opened SU and ran it a bit. Closed. Did the hard re-boot. . .

Did I miss a step?

Nope!
Sorry that what worked for me.
Did open SU8 and load some files saved/closed a few times.

@d12dozr said:

@jpalm sorry if you thought I called you anything. I was just expressing my opinion of the general atmosphere of the thread.
Have one on me

No problem. Forget it.
Sorry I got worked up.
Jersey Italian and all that.

@d12dozr said:

@jpalm32 said:

And I'm sick of people being sick of people that have real gripes.
This is not a cult!
People have a opinons. Don't like it? Move on yourself!
I mentioned SU printing is like being back on an IBM PC in the 80's and got jumped on also.
This "update sucks"
IMO!

So why don't you voice your 'real gripes' in a constructive manner? How is your or anybody else's whining helping the situation?

It feels like hanging with toddlers on a plane in here. Grow up already.

I have tried it! Are you reading the comments towards those critical of this "Update"?
So much of gettiing personal, jerk!
Hypocrite.
Did I mention any name or call someone names??
You are what I'm taliking about.
Read your post and defend it please.
You called me what?

@krisidious said:

Dan, Yes that did fix it. SU v8 is now the default program to open SU files...

I had this happen before '13. Trird everything, after a MS update, reboot, all was fine.
It wasn't the update, just the hard re-boot.

@d12dozr said:

I simply don't get the hostility in this thread.

The big features in this release are Layout improvements and the Extension Warehouse. Do you negative nancys really not see what a BIG FREAKING DEAL the Extensions warehouse is?? And just because you don't personally use Layout doesn't mean countless other folks don't appreciate the update.

When was the last time you got really excited about something Sketchup related? Likely is was some kind of plugin - Thea, Maxwell, Fredo's TopoShaper, Sketchucation's Plugin Store. The Extensions Warehouse (EW) is just going to make these kind of things more visible and more frequent. Ever since the last Basecamp, Trimble made it clear that they're committed to enabling plugin authors.

Think of the Apple App store or Google Play and the thousands of options available on your smartphone...now bring that same environment, energy, and excitement to create the next big thing to Sketchup. Sketchup becomes a platform for plugin devs to launch apps that allow the rest of us to make awesome stuff.

I'm all for letting the team know what we want...we've been demanding a better plugin system for years, and now we have it. I'm delighted! Sure there's room for improvement - SCF's Plugin Store is better in some ways. So lets tell the team what we want and let them do their job.

If Sketchup isn't working for you, move on! I for one am sick of the endless whining of a few grouches.

And I'm sick of people being sick of people that have real gripes.
This is not a cult!
People have a opinons. Don't like it? Move on yourself!
I mentioned SU printing is like being back on an IBM PC in the 80's and got jumped on also.
This "update sucks"
IMO!

@gus r said:

@krisidious said:

@jpalm32 said:

@notareal said:

@bbrown said:

http://www.sketchup.com/products/sketchup-pro/new-in-2013

Sounds like "Zoom In More" is the thing for me... cannot remember how often I have been frustrated with the broken zoom. But if trimble will now release a new version yearly (as paid upgrade), maybe I'll wait the next one that actually offers more than some bug fixes. Sure, LayOut did get a proper update (or so it sounds), but I never use it... and with sketchucation plugin store, I hardly find Extension Warehouse interesting.

Not much here for free users, user that don't use layout or improvements. IMO
Think this is a new platform to start separating free & pro.

I think the new toolbar system and the overall program development in the background of the software are all you get with Make and you can't use it for Professional use, a huge mistake in my opinion.

Ironically it was the free and open source Ruby programming language that helped increase Sketchup's usefulness and popularity. Imagine if you will if Yukihiro Matsumoto had decided to allow people to use his Ruby programming language with a footnote of "not for commercial use." Where would Sketchup be today? It was the free and open access of Ruby and Ruby developers that provided their work for free to the Sketchup community and continue to this day. It is their work that makes Sketchup and while there are many "payware" addons the majority and the most popular of these are free and those come with no limitations as to their use.

W/O Ruby & the talented people here., SU would have died a quick death.
Might still do that!

Great job. Love this thingy!

@notareal said:

@bbrown said:

http://www.sketchup.com/products/sketchup-pro/new-in-2013

Sounds like "Zoom In More" is the thing for me... cannot remember how often I have been frustrated with the broken zoom. But if trimble will now release a new version yearly (as paid upgrade), maybe I'll wait the next one that actually offers more than some bug fixes. Sure, LayOut did get a proper update (or so it sounds), but I never use it... and with sketchucation plugin store, I hardly find Extension Warehouse interesting.

Not much here for free users, user that don't use layout or improvements. IMO
Think this is a new platform to start separating free & pro.

If you don't use Layout, not much there.

Really nice looking work. Some of the best Maz stuff IU've seen

Is it W32 or W64?
Can't find specs.

Real nice.
Needs some turbalence though.

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

What render engine? I could not find details on the render side.

Render Zone

Is this the ONLY render you can use??
Found it.
Maxwell is the only other external. Correction that is for FormZ only not Bonzai.

@olishea said:

Looks pretty damn good to me. With Twilight, I have found default glass material is not reflective enough. If you increase IOR you get a better result IMO. A subtle bumpmap also works well; you can bump any flat colour by applying the bumpmap texture to your window and then link the bump and unlink the texture, then apply template as normal. You can use this to bump a flat colour, good for adding 'scratchmaps' to metal and undulations to stained glass etc.

Oli, what is the purpose of the no shadow option for glass in Twilight?

@olishea said:

"acidic" is commonly used to describe colours like that. I wasn't saying the image is acidic, but rather the green.

"Saying "sorry, but it's very poor," doesn't help anyone. You can constructively criticise without tearing the work apart."

That was my point in first place. He DIDDN'T offer any!
I never said his comments were too harsh.

He can show his work if he wishes can't he? I think he says he can't because he works for the CIA or something.

No name, WEB site, no location, NEVER a display of his work, ..
Now we get that of ALL his years of work he has NOTHING to show because dark forcers prevent him.

I trully hated arrogant, lazy & pompous asS&& architects before I came to this site.
40 years of working with them made pretty sick of them.
People on this site were beginning to change my mind.
Then alas, the truth raises it's ugly head.

@rv1974 said:

No, I red some depressive economic reports just before posting here . Usually I wouldn't bother to react.
P.S. Seriously in my system of coordinates the compliments like 'lovely' and 'very nice' lay in this area (I tried to find some examples in the similar field- rural SU NPR): https://corner-bar.googlegroups.com/attach/205fcd5d36dce52c/1800%2520waterc2.jpg?view=1&part=2 or this https://corner-bar.googlegroups.com/attach/4cf80546ae47dfe0/GrantMarshall-G13.jpg?view=1&part=2 . With all my respect, the attached output is fairly distant.
IMO cheap flattering steals possibility to progress; usually I appreciate my criticizers, they provide some valuable food for thoughts.

So show us how it is done Rembrandt.
Is that your work?? Very nice if it is.
If not enlighten me to your talent.

@rv1974 said:

@jpalm32 said:

@rv1974 said:

sorry, but it's very poor.

I disagree but saying it's poor and not at least offering some constructive advice seems rude.
IMO.

Well in my turn I'd say it's rude to state the neg evaluation of the specific work is rude.
But if you'd like me to expand, no problem: boring composition, too much empty space, poisonous and dirty colors, the collage sources don't work together, watercolor faking is mediocre. I'm guess it was some speedy routine.

Somebody break your crayons when you were a child or something?

@box said:

I must say the exposure business is driving me nuts, but I'm choosing it ignore it for now as I will be replacing my screens fairly soon, Seems no matter how well I balance/calibrate these they are still very different.
As I will be relocating across the world again soon I will wait till then to replace them.
I worked out what the circles are, reflections from the distorted glass. I had lights in all the wrong places so they were throwing randomly. I placed lights in what would be the correct place in reality and who would have thunk it but you can sort of control things properly, D'oh.
So anyway, with a bit of plastic as you mentioned things look a bit more interesting. I'm sure on some screens this will be dull and on others washed out, but it is here anyway.

Now that is nice , but I really don't like floor texture at all.