@pbacot said:

Strange that these two destinations are created when we both relatively recently installed 2015; and I suspect you like myself have done nothing to adjust this, if we could.

the one showing up for me when i enter the ruby line is where all the standard su styles are stored.. if those ones (sketchy, assorted, color sets, etc) are showing up for you in the styles browser then i imagine the same path as mine is on your install..

however, why the ruby line is giving different results for us is beyond me.. what happens when you enter that @driven?

@pbacot said:

Thank you. I did this and there is a an empty Styles folder under /Users/myusername/Library/Application Support/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp.

hmm.. when i do that, it shows the path in the .app/contents (and saving stuff to there will result in an overwrite/loss of data when updating the application)

but then again, i've never tried to have sketchup2015 make a new collection.. i've either explicitly created a new folder or manually moved my styles folders from past versions into ~/application support.

@unknownuser said:

Incidentally I cannot go to the above mentioned Styles folder in this dialog, since the "Library" is an invisible folder.

i think you should maybe unhide the library to see if anything changes..

go to your home folder then right-click inside the folder-> show view options (or View menu-> Show View options)..

click the box 'Show Library Folder' ..that will unhide it.
(note- this option only appears when you're doing a 'show view options' for the home folder.. in all other finder view options (like the desktop or other folders), this checkbox is not available.

i don't necessarily think it will fix your issue just yet but it should at least let you navigate to the styles folder via sketchup.. then, maybe you can save styles to it?

@ken28875 said:

Hello everyone,

I dug into my Simcity concept folder and found a few more. I won't have anymore concepts for Simcity. These were some of the last ones I did for the game about 2 years ago.

These concepts were inspired by Brownstone architecture.

Enjoy and have a great week!

_KN

R_Gen_W1D2_Brownstone_05_01_Detailed_Concept

that looks like my house!

@robertwan said:

Ipossible?

ha. wow.. at first i was thinking "ok, there's no way that's going together.. especially getting all 4 pieces to do it"

but, after checking your .skp, it appears like it will actually work.

nice Majid

great! very nice

@baz said:

Couldn't the rapid advancement of 'personal assistant' tech like 'Siri' add a lot of functionality?

"Hey Sketchup, draw me a table like xxxx.skp using same material and timber specs, but change the width to xxx, depth to xxx and the height to xxx. Oh, and update xxxx.layout as a new file with this drawing."

i don't doubt that type of stuff is coming eventually.. like your examples along with just requiring less explicit instructions from the user.

"hey skiri, draw a 9' radius sphere with the top third cut off" (for example).. instead of what we'd have to do now to achieve this volume.

@pbacot said:

It's seems I never could. You have a Mac. I thought it didn't work on Macs. Nothing gets saved except empty collection folders. I make up new styles each job, if they aren't in my template.

try it like this: (or some combination of this there's really not a direct/simple/obvious way to do it)

(these aren't in order necessarily.. the numbers are just used to correspond with what i'm typing)

1. push the expander which opens another browser below

2. push that to create a new collection (i put mine in ~/Library/ApplicationSupport/SketchUp201x/SketchUp but you can put it anywhere.. or-- you can just add to existing collections if you like but they'll be overwritten when upgrading sketchup)

3. This is where the new styles will be saved to.. in #2, i created a new folder called 'MyStyles'.. now in this browser, i've selected that folder

4. drag & drop the new style you've created in the model into this folder (like what the arrow is showing.. drag from the top then release into the bottom white space).. and it will save as a new .style.

edit
was typing this as john posted above.. see, different methods ..i think it's more confusing than necessary. (same goes for the material browser)

@jql said:

I'm I talking nonsense here?

heck no.. grasshopper like capabilities in sketchup would be awesome and i imagine very popular.

@hendrik_g said:

I didn't have an application specified. I just tried specifying Photoshop CC, and then Preview - no change.

for clarity.. you do have an editor assigned at SketchUp-> Preferences-> Applications ,right?

@hendrik_g said:

I'm having the same "Failure to Save File" issue when I tried to edit any of my textures in SU2015 running Mac Yosemite. I've read this discussion, and I'm still unable to resolve my issue. I'm hoping someone can help me or let me know what I'm missing. I've tried the following:

what application are you trying to use for your external editor?

i haven't read through the thread but i did see pixelmator mentioned and in its case, the default setting is to open any file in its .pxm format instead of .jpg/.png/etc..

so, if your external editor is opening/converting the file, it won't save back into sketchup properly..

in other words, i don't think this is a permissions issue. (not ruling it out.. just check some other stuff first)

@jql said:

1 - Dynamic components UI Revamp;

also maybe a way to create geometry within a DC.. like AddLine(pt1,pt2).. or AddCircle(center, radius).. or PushPull(surface,distance).

that'd be sweet.. not really sure how it would work but i suppose the developer recommendation would be "hey dude, just learn ruby instead"

edit
or maybe a way to interact with things already in the model.. like-> select a surface then do this to it.. instead of the surface needing to be the dynamic component itself.

@baz said:

I've only just started thinking on this approach to a betterer SU... my scruffy words about SU and AI integration. Would love to hear other thoughts on SU's possible future along these lines.
Baz

the tricky bit with introducing this type of fuzzy logic(?) into sketchup might not be so much with the fact that user specific numbers / actions are stored or remembered.. i guess that part might even be the easy part.. the tricky part (as i see it right now at least) is how the data is then re-presented to the user..

sketchup is -> pick a tool and enter the parameters for this usage of the tool.. alternate usages of the tool is controlled by modifier keys.. we don't have lists etc to pick from in the UI..

but if sketchup were to recognize i generally draw rectangles constrained to say 5-6 different sizes, how would these then be presented to me as a choice? as a list maybe? scroll wheel cycles through the measurement box? i think those may be the two ways to do it without radically changing sketchup UI itself..

anyway, i guess my questions is more of-- assume the logic engine was in sketchup, how is the best way for the user to interact with the data? because in many ways, it might be more of a hassle than benefit to sort through.

that said, i definitely think we'll be seeing more of this type of stuff in the future.. i just think the UI needs to be designed from the ground up with the capability in mind as opposed to taking an existing UI and trying to patch the function on top of it.

but yeah, if i'm a carpenter/framer and i'll be working with standard framing materials, it'd be nice if sketchup(etc) could recognize this and automatically offer solids corresponding with the material sizes.. or arrays at typical spacing (15.25" for the first move then 16" o.c thereafter)--- then further, if i'm doing more customized stuff, the application could learn my ways and customize itself to handle the situations i may often encounter.

@box said:

It's one of those situations where making a tree structure in the Component window would reduce the group/component argument. Not erase it but reduce it. By that I mean some way of reducing the number of or filtering out some components.

Makes me wonder if an aftermarket Component Browser is possible as a plugin.
D'oh, forgot about interloide's one.

maybe just a new definition of what they are? (not new-- just a new way of explaining them?)

i'd use components all the time if i didn't have to deal with the additional dialog.. (then further- what you're getting at.. managing of components)

anyway:

groups are to prevent stickyness when necessary (like- if sketchup didn't have automerging of geometry, i'd hardly ever use them anymore except when simply making a selection set)

components are for what they do.

i mean, that's basically what it boils down to for me but probably not any clearer to explain them that way.. i do think (fairly strongly) they both have their place in sketchup though and don't think it would be too wise to eliminate groups from the program.

@d12dozr said:

The new Windows Holographic looks pretty sweet too!

Microsoft announces Windows Holographic with HoloLens headset

“We’re not talking about putting you into virtual worlds. We’re dreaming beyond virtual worlds.”

The Verge (www.theverge.com)

what the? that looks awesome

i imagine it may take quite some time to get it really usable (or to lessen the size/requirement of the headset ) but still..

@anton_s said:

Personally, I don't see the point of Sketchup::Group(s) as they, too, have definition, which allows multiple instances of definitions.

Maybe SU will deprecate Sketchup::Group some day.

groups are fast

(fast as in workflow fast)

@solo said:

@pilou said:

And what about Windows 9?

7 ate 9.

@unknownuser said:

Windows 10 will work across device form factors

that sounds like a good move.. glad to see they're taking it on themselves and doing it first.
(or, glad to see they haven't given up on the idea and are making a full commitment instead of what they tried with that other semi windows.. the one for surface)

also, it might quiet a swath of apple haters complaining "oh oh.. osx is trying to be too much like ios "
as if that type of integration will do more bad than good.

@jason_maranto said:

For instance you keep talking about the evils of white america,

yes, that's what i'm talking about.. (and just to make sure we're clear, i don't mean that literally as read nor do i think you mean it as such but yeah.. along those lines)

most, by far, problems in the world can be traced to the power structure in place.. in a non capitalistic society, would there still be the notion of crime? sure, i imagine.. but far far less.. i don't call for a utopian society.. just something alot better than what we have today.. thats all.. that's my wish.. i want to contribute to society without the underlying sense that in order for me to do so, i need to figure a way to suck something out of it in order to feed myself.

we're far beyond starvation as a civilization so then why is it still so common in the world?
because we have people that don't know how to solve problems, nor whose goals are to solve societal problems in the most powerful positions in the world.

yet these are the people who are telling you how to think. and saying "it's ok for you to own an idea".. that is not your idea, i'm sorry.. you are standing on the shoulders of giants.. your idea is everybody's idea just like the only reason you had that idea in the first place is because of the billions of people who came before you.

i want our civilization to have a revolution.. a revolution of our own consciousness.. one in which we see "software piracy" as a stupid idea in and of itself.. we're holding ourselves back by continuing with these old patterns/traditions/rules etc.

@unknownuser said:

Similarly, what I am adressing is the need to pirate... not the morality of doing so. You are attempting to pull me into some sort of stance on the morality of such, but I have only commented on the hard practical realities of the situation. It is not needful for anybody to pirate software in todays world... open source software has become so prevelant that almost anything you need is there for you.

i think it's becoming more prevalent but we're not fully there yet.. a couple more decades and the idea of "i'm going to get rich off of coding some 3d app then putting it on lockdown" might not be such a great business plan..

@unknownuser said:

You attempt to use "cultural ignorance" as some sort of catch-all protection from personal responsibility,

yeah, maybe.. i'm speaking off-the-cuff stream-of-consciousness and not really editing/preconceptualizing/thoroughly thinking through all of this so i imagine it's very likely i'm doing a lot of stuff like what you're saying.

@unknownuser said:

Furthermore, the original poster is creating video game assets... I wonder what his stance will be when the time comes for his product to be pirated.

who knows.. maybe 'his assets' are simply contributions to an open sourced project.

@pbacot said:

Jeff,

Just interjecting--for sake of the discussion: Are you arguing some sort of moral relativism? We can't tell other cultures how to behave, therefore there's no debate?

yes, i guess i'm arguing moral relativism.. in that it's incredibly likely our values in this neck of the woods will be different in a hundred years from now just like they were different a hundred years ago.

and that moral values don't change at a consistent pace for every individual or culture.

so yeah, at this very exact point in time in the u.s, software piracy is illegal and is also seen as a moral wrongdoing.. but it's all relative and we can't (or shouldn't) expect every other culture to see things the way we do.. especially when realizing it's very possible that in a hundred years time, those people might look back at us going "holy crap! i can't believe they made a french fry recipe top secret and allowed a handful of individuals to profit so immensely off of doing so" (or whatever)

(though honestly, i do think things will probably get worse in these regards before they start getting better.. so maybe 500 years time for that example )

but really, who am i to say what's right or wrong? who is anybody to say that? but to make things worse, the people who are saying what's right or wrong aren't doing so from a moral standpoint..
at the top, it's the people who are making money (and i mean-- bringing money into existence in the first place.. the creators) that are creating the laws on how we are to use the money.. we're arguing about the morality of using money but the system itself is rotten from the top down.. and the more we continue to enforce these people's rules, and especially the more we allow the institution of money to be a guiding moral light, the longer the problem will continue..

@unknownuser said:

By bringing up past legality of slavery, therefore all criminality (all rule of law?) is not only suspect but not worthy of discussion? Do ethics, fair trade, fair payment for services, and private property also fall to the wayside, because some authorities allowed atrocities at some other time and place?

not really and it wasn't the point i was trying to bring up when mentioning those things.. just meant to say that 'right and wrong' changes and can do so in relatively short amounts of time..

however, our current lawmakers are committing huge crimes themselves.. so yes, their laws are baloney or they're certainly not practicing what they preach.. we're sitting here arguing about stealing software and yeah, it's illegal under current law.. just like it should be illegal to invade a country and rob it's citizens of the natural resources under their feet.. but the lawmakers simply have to change the law to make that act ok..

morals and laws aren't the same thing.. if the law suddenly changed to "it's illegal to charge money for software" would you quit using software since it's violating your personal code of ethics?
point being, there are lines being crossed in the conversation where legality and morality are being used interchangeably when really they are different.

@jason_maranto said:

The old "I am not as bad as they are, therefore my bad behavior is excusable" arguement... my issue with that is very practical:

To pirate requires you to go out of your way, to potentially dangerous areas (Virus-wise), to obtain the software. Whereas downloading, installing and using an open source software is safe, easy and always encouraged.

If you take the approach that piracy is giving the finger to corporate america, then I would suggest that using the open source software, and contributing to the growth of the marketshare of those (versus the corporate softwares), would be far more effective.

There is no downside to using open source instead, other than having to momentarily step outside the familiar routine... but that is a wise investment of time, which will serve towards giving long term freedom from corporate powers.

Best,
Jason.

it just sounds like you're talking to people who live within a hundred miles of you.
or, like you're trying to teach me the difference between right and wrong when in reality, i don't live on a deserted island, i do use money, i'm in the same culture as you, my software and usage of said software is all legal under u.s. laws... i'm playing by the book, you see?

if i were taking the approach "that piracy is giving the finger to corporate america".. well, i'd almost certainly be stealing their software, wouldn't i?.. instead, my idea of giving them the finger is through spreading knowledge or ideas that we don't have to live under their rules.. all we need to do as a whole is say stop and it will stop in one day..

but jason, the world is much bigger than florida.. in many cases, the pirated software IS being payed for by the user.. there's a huge reseller market in which people are selling software at highly discounted prices.. or selling computers which has software preinstalled which under u.s. law, shouldn't be there.. it's very similar to movie piracy..
buy the DVD on the street corner for a dollar, you know.. it's not always about going to some shady place on the internet and downloading a movie.. you buy the movie from the chick in the subway and you have acted as a responsible consumer.. maybe not responsible in our consumer culture but certainly responsible in another.. there's some old lady in pakistan right now watching the hobbit who, in her or her neighbor's eyes, has done absolutely nothing wrong.. but here you are, thousands of miles away, chastising her and calling her a thief..

now, i'm not asking you to change your way of thinking or- my point is certainly not "piracy is ok".. what i am asking you to do is open your eyes beyond your borders.. you keep offering all of these solutions but the way i see it is that you're failing to see the problem as a whole.. you're thinking too close to home.. consider the whole world first then offer solutions because i think if you start from scratch with wider eyes, your ideas for solutions won't be very similar to your current ones.