@unknownuser said:
Jeff, I take your point but cannot agree with the proposed action. No, I have not read the Bill in its entirety only sections. I simply do not trust Governments, which are under the influence of the Big Corps, to act in a fair manner.
We've lived with Big Business and Government as bed partners for years and the consuming public reaped the rewards. It's hasn't been until recently, when the world's economy turned a fiscal somersault, that anyone got their ire up and made "Big Business is Evil" noises.
@unknownuser said:
The way this thing is being set up, I still feel the onus will be on the accused to prove their innocence rather than the accuser to prove their guilt. Also money talks! Particularly when it come to the hire of the Legal Eagles. Now if they inserted a clause that the accused defense legal fee would be paid by the accuser and the accused would only have to pay this fee when actually convicted, that would be a different matter. But you can be sure that won't happen because it will probably fall outside of the criminal range.
I don't see why you think would happen. This bill is intended to provided the legal groundwork for protection of copyright and IP infringement cases. What I do see is a lot of paranoia and fear-mongering about how evil business interests and corrupt government politicians will turn it to some (undefined) kind of personal gain.
@unknownuser said:
On the copyright issue infringements, it looks to me that its mostly the big name record and movie companies that are behind this. Let's just go back in time a little. Prior to the Net, if I wanted a particular song, I went to my local record shop and bought the record. This stated changing when the tape came into common use.
It was the same case with a movie. If I wanted to see the movie, I went to the cinema. This started to change when the video machines came into the picture.
What I'm getting at here is, prior to music and movies going into tape they were hardly ever pirated. Once these industries made the decision to move / sell their product in this fashion they left themselves open, little by little, until what we have now.
Well, from a historical perspective, while piracy was happening back then (a certain Far Eastern nation has been making illegal copies of media for decades) it was not as easy as it is today. But "excusing" piracy due to lack of effective anti-piracy safeguards isn't right either. We could talk about DRM then and the furor it raised when software companies and media companies tried to implement it as a strategy to deter piracy. The consuming public was livid!
@unknownuser said:
From what I see, they have invested next to nothing from their vast profits into technology that would prohibit copyright infringement. So far the extra VAST profit far outweighs the loss to pirates. But now they want to do things the political way and create a system that, will most likely be abuse left, right and center for things other than copyright protection. Let's be realistic! the politicians care little or nothing about copyright protection. They see this as something that will suit their aims / ambitions, censorship! Its been achieved on most TV and Newspapers and all that remains is the Net.
Realistic! Mike, the reality is that piracy is already rampant! It's already abusive and it show little to no signs of slowing down. What would you prefer in place of a sustainable law? Anarchic responses like Wikileaks, Denial of Service attacks against servers by hacker groups who think they have the "higher road" for Internet moral codes?
@unknownuser said:
In the case of software there are ways that companies can further protect their product. The dongle is crude way to do this but again, I imagine if resources were put into protection, we would see fairly fool-proof systems coming on the scene. These companies are smart enough to create brilliant software, surely can could produce brilliant protection!
I worked in computers systems, network and software for over 20 years. I can tell you, there is no software solution that cannot be reversed engineered and compromised. The most effective form of protection is a physical device such as a dongle, or encoded SD card. BUT, the public, for the most part, doesn't care for those kinds of solutions ... it adds cost and that, my friend, isn't what the public wants to see.
@unknownuser said:
As far as I'm concerned the onus should be on the digital product producers to protect their property in the first place and not try to place restrictions on the marketplace, that will be open to abuse, to protect their property for them.
They are. They are asking the government to produce a law that gives them the resources and legal position to protect their, and their clients interests. They are not asking to place "restrictions" except those that would insure the legal protection of their property through due process of law. Does anyone think for a minute that Pepsi would want to see their logo on anything besides their products or a contracted second party item, such as a banner, poster, etc. Not on your life.
@unknownuser said:
If I had a shop I would be sure to lock it up good and tight every evening! I would like to see the local police having any extra powers other than investigation, arrest and prosecution. This proposed law could be compared IMO to allowing the police 'shut down' whoever they had suspicions about and only release them when they prove their innocence!
Read the bill in it's entirety.
@unknownuser said:
Its the same old story! Money talks! And Big Money Talks Big!, particularly when its talking to politicians! The Net was designed to do what it does, we have to accept the good and the bad, otherwise it will be a crippled duck! If things keep going the way they are heading.
Well, if OWS (for instance) is any measure of how the common person intends to change government, I won't lose any sleep and won't expect to see any INTELLIGENT changes made.
@unknownuser said:
This place could be shut down for having the discussion we are currently having 
If it weren't for the eye roll at the end, I'd say that is a fairly paranoid statement to make. The last time I looked, Orwell's 1984 wasn't a reality, the Thought Police could never read my wife's mind, and I still don't have to "show my papers" when I cross state lines in the US. 
Cheers.