@pbacot said:

Try Organic Blown glass lights.

A very nice idea, sir ! Thank you.
In the meantime I was looking over this:

@solo

1. Yess... and no.. I want to combine that look with something more "warm", more organic, because as it is now, is too "rigid". Too geometric, if it makes any sense what I'm saying...
2. I'll try a different hood, maybe round one, but the client already has it... and only if he can change it. (It's a little more difficult here, than in USA to change things, but not impossible).
3. distance between counter and top cabinets: 600mm

@nickchun said:

What render engine are you using?

Twilight render. Lighting is as it's on the real place (and the LED lighting uses IES matched to the real thing)... so yes, the darkness on the appliances area is pretty "realistic"

@unknownuser said:

There are plenty of bar stools on the Google warehouse.

I know... this is why I feel stuck... too many options and my brain refuses to pick one

@unknownuser said:

Are you looking for hanging lights the positions you have marked. Something with a coloured shade matching the stool colour might help.

Hanging lights would be best... as it is now, is too "compact", too "high-tech", I want to "soften" it a bit, to add a touch of elegance, but without opulence.

I'm a bit stuck wit this work... in my mind looked nice, but once I made a test-render on it, turned too dark, especially on the far end (where the appliances are). I tried to render it white, but it looked "unfinished".
Maybe some (slight) change in design/colors? I can't squeeze my brain for any, right now.

Also, I would need some idea for ceiling lights and stools (taller than those for regular table, but shorter than bar stools) - the island's worktop is 900mm height.

Thank you very much.

I want to scale a DC within two limits (min:5cm / max:500cm), but I can't figure how to constrain to both.
To constrain for one of them I can use "if" condition, but I have no idea how to use for both ends constraining.

Thanks.

EDIT
Thanks Box for pointing out the error in this post, I corrected it now. It was meant to be 5CM (but I am sure you figured it out, even if it was wrong).
Would you be so kind to offer a solution for my problem, now?

If you had a Canon EF 28-80mm f/2.8-4 USM Lens and you loved it, but for some reason you dropped it on the ground and now it's just a pile of shards, you can have it again !

I'm selling mine because the focusing has suddenly died. It's a lens with electronic focusing (both for MF and AF it's electronically controlled). I'm guessing it's the focusing motor or the ribbon-cable that was reached by fatigue. On all other aspects, the lens is just perfect. No optical damage (no scratches, dust, mold, or anything else), zooming is smooth, no mechanical or aesthetic damage.

It can be repaired, it's just Canon won't supply any parts for it, as it's a very old lens. But, if you have a damaged one and you can collect spare parts from it, It would be a nice chance to buy and fix this one. I tried to find a damaged one for sale, to fix it myself for future use, but couldn't find any.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canon-EF-28-80mm-f-2-8-4-0-USM-L-lens-/111252483933

I hope I didn't break any rules with this post. If so, please notice me and I will remove it.

Thank you.

@frederik said:

So true...

So NOT true ... I would rather sell my phone ... and go back to sleep

Just saw this topic by accident. And I added my small contribution too.
I want to see that man contributing again to this community !
Wish you best, Dan Rathbun !

@enigmatic said:

Hi Fredo,

Is it normal dimensions differences in?

Maybe some rounding ... bug? I'm guessing it rounds in all situations, not considering the units used (and number of decimals) ?

I just came back from Budapest... and there I saw a crime scene (there are plenty like this one in Budapest... ). So, beware if you're biking around...

Hmm, this is interesting... several more such releases and maybe we can call SU2013 a REAL new SU version !
If (at least in part) this is the result of user dissatisfaction expressed here on SketchUcation, then I'm glad that Trimble is listening !

Where I can find this again? The link seem invalid now.
Thanks

@numerobis said:

@unknownuser said:

This simplicity thing is really a joke. You have to install a massive amount of plugins to make sketchup really usable. I have met many people who thought a bit push-pull is all what can be done in SU and dropped it...
But besides this... why couldn't it be an option to select more than one viewport? You don't have to use it, but you can if you need it!

First, it's simplicity can be somehow intimidating at first, but I know a lot of different people who are using SU for very different purposes. For example I know somebody that uses SU to sell proffesional kitchenware and what he uses is a 3d warehouse library, rectangle tool, push-pull, measuring tools and sometimes paint tool. Yes, making SU "usable" for an architect or a 3d designer requires several plugins to install... but you only install them once. Then, why some to be privileged and others to be forced to accept tools that they dont't want to?

And second... here wasn't any talk about multi-viewport. It may be a good idea... in several (I must admit -very rare) occasions it seemed desirable. But again, Sketchup's nature and ease to navigate in 3d space doesn't require multiple viewports.

@unknownuser said:

...aside from the fact that someone/some group may have 5+ computers running sketchup and you have to make sure they all get the plugins etc in order to do something crazy like, say, weld a polyline..

sure.. +1

Well, let's also assume that all 5+ workers KNOW HOW to use sketchup, how to install a plugin, how to search for one if needed... or just hire better workers

What I wish NOT to happen... Despite the fact now it's no sign that it could happen... one cannot know what goes trough Trimble's mind...
So, what I wish to stay as it is, is the Simplicity of Sketchup, only basics, no complicated features by default... and everything to remain provided as plugins... so everyone should customize its SketchUp according to particular needs. There are several 3d programs on the market that tried to incorporate EVERYTHING ... and ended being clogged and slow...

keep that ! It will make a lot of money sometime!

@mike lucey said:

But again we are not captive in any way as the door is wide open to walk through if the desire is there.

Is not just that simple... All of sketchUp users had some strong reasons to go with SketchUp in the first place. And most of us did this because SU is DIFFERENT, and by different I say easy to learn, easy to use, not cluttered ... so you can do your thing fast and easy, with no need of hundreds of toolbars, scrolling menus, buttons, extensive learning... and why not, a very nice interface... unconventional icons (why so serious?).
And all this encouraged a "think out of the box" community... original people turned to it, not that generation of AutoCAD users that were so stiff. And also... neither the "3SD users", who are so "fancy and sophisticated" (ok, now I was mean, but I'm sure you understand my point).

So, if SU will cease to be what it has been, I'm starting to think where it will go? Ok, you are saying that if I won't like it, I am free to go... And probably I will... to SU8 again . But that's not the point here. The point is that WE ARE A STRONG COMMUNITY and despite the fact that Trimble bought Sketchup, Sketchup is still ours. Without us, the users, Trimble may very well whash their hair with SU... so to speak. So, first of all, Trimble shall listen of what users want/need. Because, believe or not, the users know best (because they are using it).

All we can hope is that Trimble will eventually understand this and will go in the right direction.

@mike lucey said:

Reasons why to go on SU 2013 ... ?

Well, its a case of Faith, Hope and Charity!

Initially .... a leap of faith and then hope that 2013 (and a bit) will deliver more next Sept / October, possibly at a 3D Base Camp. The upgrade price can be looked on as charity

Mike

Well, I think this is the best answer... I was expecting for it. I didn't wanted to say it by myself, but I was waiting to see when it will appear... as it's the obvious reason. Some speed improvements and small tweaks aren't features for a major release. It's like going with a flower and nothing else to your girlfriend's birthday .

So, I will take Mike's answer that the main reason to go pro with SU 2013 is to show some faith to Trimble... but (hello Trimble, this is for you ==> ) - Also, Trimble shall not disappoint the SU users community in the future.

There are several topics abut SketchUp 2013 with a lot of oppinions. Starting from "wow, I't seem nice" - this was my first reaction too, when I saw the new website. And ending with "Trimble is trolling us" - after one reads the updates and installs the new version of sketchUp.

Let's NOT do that here. I wish this topic to be a decent list of SERIOUS reasons why to switch from SU 8 to SU 2013... I'll go firstL

• If you are a PRO user, the only reason is the upgrade license. It's cheaper to upgrade now than buy later a new license.
• If you are a Free user, keep reading...
  And that's all... I can't see any other decent reason... all the changes seem to be in the same line as before: Trimble marks their territory, they WANT us to know that SketchUp is theirs now.

But, if you can point to some serious reasons, this should be the place where to list them !
Good Luck!

@radraze2kx said:

The speed of which your model is saving leads me to believe your hard drive is running slow. You also mentioned you had a Core2Duo, which is (depending on which architecture) is up to six generations behind. Hard drives are not meant to last that long; [...]

Your argument is invalid. Why? well... in the first place, I can agree with you that a HDD is not meant to run forever. But it won't diminish its read/write properties in a matter of few years. That's a fact. Actually, it happens that I have hard-drives 20 years old... and are working perfectly (unfortunately can't be used to anything of value, but still... as proof of fact)
Also, Core2Duo works fine with ALL other software (including AutoCAD, 3DMax, you name it)... so, surprisingly, only SU is too powerful for it ?
I don't want to offend you, but coming with such arguments denote that you don't really know much about computer hardware... Yes, a SSD has more speed, indeed, but I am talking abut speeds that are NOT limited by hardware (50MB / 2minutes). Tell me, HOW BAD a hdd should work, to save so slow? I'm giving the answer in your place: HORRIBLY BAD !. And is not the case... FYI: i run scheduled sector checks and once in a while speed tests, and from the results I'm telling you it's working fine.
Yes, my CPU is somehow slow... but it still runs @3.4 GHz... and since SU is a single-core application, i think is pretty good, don't you think? (6 generations of CPUs don't reflect in 6x single-core more computational speed )

My point was this: SU is NOT EFFICIENT in handling save operations, or other incremental operations. And that's due faulty core design. Design that SHOULD be improved. SU was initially designed for simple geometry, so nobody even imagined that it will be used to make organic shapes or such complex models like we do now. And its original design was good enough for its intended purpose.
"Unfortunately", now we use SU for far more and wonderful things than making Google Earth buildings... and it needs to step-up, to become more efficient.
I find it illogical to put my money in THE BEST PC that exists, only to run a free software... while other developers are able to make similar software that run on average computers...