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      function
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      Sketchup Make gone... hard to believe

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      • Dave RD Offline
        Dave R
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        @function said:

        Sketchup Make gone... hard to believe

        It's not gone. You can still use Make 2017 or earlier.

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          elfis
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          Sketchup 18.0.16975 is there more informations about changes ?

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          • PixeroP Offline
            Pixero
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            @driven said:

            a lot of improvements 'under the hood' will make extension developers happy...

            john

            Is there a list of changes in the api?

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              cuttingedge
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              trying the online SU free 2018.. How to use plugins??

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                kaas
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                A complete changelog would be nice. Some of my own rubies are throwing errors.

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                  wiskill
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                  List of complete changelog here: https://help.sketchup.com/en/article/141303

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                    panixia
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                    @dave r said:

                    @function said:

                    Sketchup Make gone... hard to believe

                    It's not gone. You can still use Make 2017 or earlier.

                    So basically it's gone. Let's face the reality.
                    Moreover is clear enough that they are developing the software in a direction which only makes sense for architects (maybe).
                    No improvements at all on the actual modeling tools. They are pretty much the same as sketchup 8 (they just messed some inferences and encuraged people to do bad modeling with the useless rotated rectangle, wow!). πŸ˜’
                    The software is still usable only for the epic work of plugins developers.

                    If the strategy was intended to encourage free/make users to buy a pro license, I think that will fail really bad. They are just making Blender even more appealing.
                    An hobbist or a 3d generalist may think to buy sketchup, if only they pack some useful modeling features in the pro version, let's say native quad support, decent uv mapping tools, non destructive approach based on modifiers (well.. keep dreaming) or at least some basic capabilities, let's say dealing with small faces or a native sphere tool.. Nope. Nothing at all.
                    They officially dropped "general" modeling. πŸ˜•

                    I'm not sure what they are expecting after all the work they spent developing sketchup online..
                    Peraphs they think someone is able to model even the most basic stuff with native sketchup tools without tons of plugins? 😐
                    Come on Trimble.. that's only a toy.

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                      panixia
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                      @cuttingedge said:

                      trying the online SU free 2018.. How to use plugins??

                      Yeah, keep dreaming. πŸ‘

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                        nlipovac
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                        This is the completely useless edition for anyone who needs to pay for an upgrade from 2016, 2017 to 2018.
                        I really think that Sketchup is freeloading on plugin developers work for last two editions, to put it mildly without strong words.
                        One software as Blender gets a more overall update from version to version, and it is free for any use than one that you pay and get cosmetics.
                        Blender is developing Evee for version 2.8 next year and all we get from 2017 to 2018 is smoother graphics and smart sections.
                        My first impression of this is just sadness and disappointment. πŸ‘Ž πŸ‘Ž

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                          cadmunkey
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                          Knew that the aussie page wasnt fake!!!
                          Time to download and have a look.

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                            I was badly disappointed when Google made SketchUp free. I understand why, but I think it seriously undermined the adoption of 3D by professionals. "What, that free program?" was the reaction I often got when trying to sell my services to clients. You still hear it even now.

                            So Trimble moving away for support from 'Make' doesn't defrost my Kelvinator.

                            As for SU2018, the release notes seem to show many improvements which will improve my experience with Su.
                            Release notes here:
                            https://help.sketchup.com/en/article/141303
                            This is a long list, I expect to spend at least a couple of hours checking it all out.

                            I am frankly getting very tired of the naysayers who want bla de bla de bla ad nauseum.
                            Sketchup is primarily a design/drawing program. That suits me fine.
                            It has always from the beginning at @Last days applied the KISS principal and continues to deliver on that premise.

                            If it doesn't suit, please use Blender or something else and stop whinging. (Course you might have to pay for it. 😞

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                              I think they focused on the sector that is most likely to pay for their software: architects and builders. If their job brings a lot of money, they will most likely want to pay.
                              So, that kind of explains why they try to turn SU in an architect's tool and take off anything that @Last meant for this software when they created it.
                              While this makes perfect sense in terms of business, it damages a lot in terms of other values. But we live in a world of capitalism, so there isn't much to say now.
                              I said it from the beginning, after Trimble acquired SU, that the fact they raised the license price just after they basically changed the application's icon, was a bad omen...

                              DESIGNER AND ARTIST [DEREI.UK](http://derei.uk/l)

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                              • Rich O BrienR Online
                                Rich O Brien Moderator
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                                SketchUp is a PAAS (Platform as a service). You tailor to your needs via the extension ecosystem. You are free to make SketchUp do whatever you want via the API.

                                If it doesn't have a toolset then you can program one. If the API limits what you can make then pesters the devs to expose more functions.

                                I don't think you'll ever see a version where everyone says 'Wow!'. As Baz says, it's a concept visualising app for the AEC sector with presentation tools. One that is easy for anyone to learn 3D design.

                                As for this release, there are more SDK goodies exposed that remove the need for hacks and workarounds. This obviously introduces breaks with older extensions. Not ideal but definite progress.

                                The loss of Make, I'm sure is sad news for anyone that uses it. But the my.sketchup.com and older releases can be still used.

                                I remember SketchUp releases under Google where we got things like Building Maker and other useless stuff. Now every year we get a better platform to extend.

                                My only craving is a roadmap of sorts so devs can at least know where to throw resources to extend. Not knowing if SketchUp will tackle a problem you intend to tackle via the API can mean you spend time on something worthless.

                                Now, who's gonna get the 2019 wishlist going?

                                Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp πŸ“–

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                                  Rich O Brien Moderator
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                                  @rv1974 said:

                                  They updated cursors for the Circle and Polygon tools! How can you keep on (I'm so agree with baz) whining after that?

                                  Quality of life improvements πŸ˜›

                                  Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp πŸ“–

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                                    rv1974
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                                    And besides, they updated cursors for the Circle and Polygon tools! How can you keep on (I'm so agree with baz) whining after that?

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                                    • Dave RD Offline
                                      Dave R
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                                      @derei said:

                                      I think they focused on the sector that is most likely to pay for their software: architects and builders. If their job brings a lot of money, they will most likely want to pay.
                                      So, that kind of explains why they try to turn SU in an architect's tool and take off anything that @Last meant for this software when they created it.

                                      Architects were the primary focus of SketchUp when @Last began development of it. They aren't just now turning into a tool for architects.

                                      SketchUp Make users are no worse off than they were two days ago. They haven't lost the the use of SketchUp and it's not going to hurt their wallets.

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                                        function
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                                        It's a real shame they won't be continuing with make. the online 'free' is clearly not a replacement for the desktop version. I started sketchup with the free version and found the tools I needed through the plugins, now new users won't be able to do that.

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                                          @function said:

                                          It's a real shame they won't be continuing with make. the online 'free' is clearly not a replacement for the desktop version. I started sketchup with the free version and found the tools I needed through the plugins, now new users won't be able to do that.

                                          Sure they will. SketchUp 2017 Make will still be available as are several older versions. And the extensions will continue to work as they have.

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                                            function
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                                            @dave r said:

                                            @function said:

                                            It's a real shame they won't be continuing with make. the online 'free' is clearly not a replacement for the desktop version. I started sketchup with the free version and found the tools I needed through the plugins, now new users won't be able to do that.

                                            Sure they will. SketchUp 2017 Make will still be available as are several older versions. And the extensions will continue to work as they have.

                                            They've ceased development on it, and replaced it with an inferior product bound to the web. New users won't get to experience all the plugins developed throughout the years, without backlogging to get an older product - which may be problematic on newer machines. It's just a real bummer, man.

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