10 years with Sketchup
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@edson said:
They do not understand one can do anything with SU + LO, even BIM, and still have fun, something I never saw related to those mammoths.
My take on that is that architects/students sometimes think that architecturarl practice is about software, while they could think that software shouldn't get in the way of architecture.
Sketchup rarelly gets in the way and though I think Layout does get in the way sometimes, there's no faster combo than Brain+Sketchup+Layout.
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@rich o brien said:
Dave taught me everything I know...
Me too! Thanks. I started as much a newb as is possible, and now I'm building models for others
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nice reflection Edson, thanks for sharing!
I resisted Sketchup at first - It was around 2006 when I first heard about it from a structural engineering consultant I was working with. I recall they were saying what a great visualizing tool it is, but I was repelled by the cartoony quality of the output. To this day, I still don't like the native SU output. However, for making 3D models and designing in 3D (since around 2008 when I switched from modeling in ACAD) I've never looked back!
long live Sketchup!
Andy
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@cotty said:
@mrossk said:
@rich o brien said:
Dave taught me everything I know...
Me too! Thanks. I started as much a newb as is possible, and now I'm building models for others
Me too, no wonder with his 4 years ahead
You guys! It's getting so deep in here I had to put on my tall rubber barn boots.
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Congratulations. I couldn't have said it better!
On the schools and software - keep in mind there is huge marketing by Autodesk and others at schools to plant the seed.
I still remember when I made the switch to all layout. I've been using SU since 2002 combining it with ACAD (which I used since version 2.3) I had loaded Windows 7 on a machine and tried to load my 2004 version of ADT to no avail. I called Autodesk and they told me I needed to purchase the latest version for some crazy amount, I can't remember, but it was in the $5000 range. I said no thanks and their response was "what else are you going to use" I responded to that arrogance with "Sketchup, of course" and promptly hung up. I never looked back.
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Thanks Edson - a great idea to post your SU-story
About 12 or 13 years ago I met any people on a CAD fair here in Frankfurt, who managed to draw cool 3d geometry shapes faster than they could explain what they intend to draw. And all this looked so cool, somehow unusual comic like which promised a wonderful new ease. At these days I needed a day or so to draw a few white lines, thin as cobwebs in front of a black viewport, in 2d...From this date, my story is almost the same as yours...
kind regards
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I discovered Sketchup back in 2005 (@Last V5) but quickly put it down because I was learning Maya at the time and was not satisfied with the texturing capabilities of SU. In those days I was not really deep into 3D modeling professionally but doing more traditional visual art (still do it today too).
6 years later in 2011 I got a commission to draw what a church would look like after a renovation at different angles. After a short debate on what medium I would work in, I dusted off my V5 Sketchup and found myself in these forums newbie section where I was pushed to try Version 8. It's been a new world for me ever since. I would credit everything I do in 3D today to my advancement in Sketchup....besides, the push/pull tool seduced me.
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I would bet that everyone here in this topic has tried to rotate a jpg with the middle mouse button?
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Well said Edson
I discovered SketchUp during the 2000 Christmas holidays and thought it was the best thing since sliced bread ...... and it was and still is
And here is a pic of me with the two guys we can thank for SketchUp, Joe Esch and Brad Schell at the Googleplex 3D Basecamp. I have no idea what I was snarling at or Brad was shying away from in the pic. Joe seemed to be accepting what ever it was.
Mike
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"My take on that is that architects/students sometimes think"
I think this portion sums it up nicelyIf you are looking for a job, and most students should, be you are going to want to know revit or archicad. There are just more jobs available out there for people with those skills.
I am a sketchup guy through and through, but in my experience there are far more companies looking for people with strong Revit skills and "its good to know" sketchup" skills.
Too bad for students that actually want to design, not just draft. The freedom sketchup brings to the design process is unmatched by any of the big dogs.
Congratulations on 10 years, I have always enjoyed your posts.
p
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@pmolson said:
Too bad for students that actually want to design, not just draft. The freedom sketchup brings to the design process is unmatched by any of the big dogs.
Bottom line for me is that it's a waste to see young bright minds wasting themselves trying to become drafters. I'm always trying to convince the ones I meet to design instead of draft, but what really should happen is that more architectural practices would aknowledge that this is what they should do too.
There's a place for BIM and drafting and there's a place for architecture thinking. If software enables them both, then great, but I don't see many cases where that's true.
Sketchup seemed to be evolving over there though...
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From my perspective, you need some of both skills. I got into SU because someone was looking for a replacement for their SU person. While I have been in/around technology for over 40 years, I am kind of a "Jack of all trades - master of none".
- I have programmed and even taught some programming classes, but I am NOT a programmer
- I have managed network people, but I am NOT very conversant in networking
- I have designed applications, web pages, and web sites, but I am NOT a designer or coder
- I have audited technology, managed technical auditors, and even taught information systems auditing to other professionals and even at the university, but I am NOT an up-to-date technical auditor
- I have put together various versions of computer graphics, but I am NOT an artist
I have been able to do some work with SU but not having any background in engineering or architecture sometimes limits my abilities.
I do love this forum because many of you (in particular people like DaveR) are willing to share your knowledge and help people like me learn. One of my biggest challenges at times (again given my lack of engineering, architectural, or graphics background) is understanding the terminology used or fully understanding the technical aspects of some posts (like how light is refracted and etc. - valuable in rendering).
However, you people have made the past 3 years enjoyable for me. I am officially retired (do about 4 to 5 hours work a month for a company) so most of what I do is for my own enjoyment and "education". I wonder when I hit that 10 year mark how much I will have learned.
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@pmolson said:
Too bad for students that actually want to design, not just draft. The freedom sketchup brings to the design process is unmatched by any of the big dogs.
Congratulations on 10 years, I have always enjoyed your posts.
pthanks pmolson (it is Paul, is it not?)
you got it just right. sketchup is about designing, not drafting.
I must say something else about my 10 year anniversary. it definitely would not have been the same without the help of this forum. the amount of help –I lost count of how many times I had a problem that was solved in hours if not minutes by a fellow member– and friendship extended to me during this period is just invaluable and I treasure it.
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Edson - I forgot to say congratulations on your 10 years.
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This thread has got me thinking about how long I've been using SketchUp. I did a search on my email and it was back in May 2001 I downloaded the Version 1 demo. I thought it was great and tried to buy it ($475 back then!) but it wasn't even licensed outside North America. I couldn't officially buy it in the UK until 2 months later.
There was nothing else like it then, or even today. I remember going on an Autocad course that my employer at the time sent me on and thinking that there had to be something easier than this! I researched the market and found SketchUp, which I trialed and then bought. After using it and demonstrating what it could do as an urban design tool, I also persuaded my employer to buy a couple of licenses as well.
Although it was very basic compared to today and crashed a lot, it was like a breath of fresh air. I also corresponded with Tom Wyman and Jim Holman at @last (the original company that developed SketchUp) who were great and passed on my feedback to the developers who slowly ironed out the bugs and added features. The @last forum was also very helpful with fellow pioneers feeding back our experience of the software, including Mike Lucey I remember! I haven't looked back since then and it's no exaggeration that SketchUp has been the foundation of my whole career, and I never did learn Autocad...!
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I started using SketchUp in 2001 or 2002 when I went to a ten week course in SketchUp and AutoCAD.
I did all the beginner errors but slowly built my knowledge of the program.
It's mostly been a pleasant journey but I still think it should have been developed more into a professional tool but I won't go into that here...
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