Implications of end of google earth
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@pbacot said:
What's really good for quick studies is the geo located aerial imagery. That way one can quickly locate new work relative to existing features, good enough for initial planning and presentation. The actual "terrain" model (that I've seen) is only so useful at the site scale. Topo maps might be better, lacking a survey.
Agreed that the usefulness of the imported 3d data isn't always as useful, but its usually close enough for early stage work, until a survey is done or can be found / imported / created.
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@unknownuser said:
Update 4/4/2017: The new data layers are now available in SU 2017. This means that Pro users will see two new layers in add location: "DigitalGlobe Satellite" and "Trimble Map". Make users will now see a "Trimble Map" layer. Google Satellite will remain as the default layer for a few more weeks.
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digitalglobe imagery is terrible compared to google satellite.
Image is blurry, typically older.
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@sketch3d.de said:
@unknownuser said:
Update 4/4/2017: The new data layers are now available in SU 2017. This means that Pro users will see two new layers in add location: "DigitalGlobe Satellite" and "Trimble Map". Make users will now see a "Trimble Map" layer. Google Satellite will remain as the default layer for a few more weeks.
And if we stick to 2016 we'll still have the same functionality as before? (I haven't seen a change)
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@pbacot said:
And if we stick to 2016 we'll still have the same functionality as before?
@unknownuser said:
SketchUp 2016 (Pro or Make) and older versions of SketchUp
At this time, there is no feasible way to update these versions of SketchUp to use the new geodata service. The Add Location and Photo Textures features will no longer function.@pbacot said:
(I haven't seen a change)
22.05.2017
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Understandable. Still I find that statement to be disingenuous (corporate). They don't WANT to update anything. You paid for it but it will no longer work.
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The quality of the DigiGlobe is dismal...just a bunch of fuzziness. And the Trimble Map is nothing but extremely basic street maps...almost zero detail. Worthless to me.
This is REALLY a serious setback for those of us that use crisp ortho imagery in presentations on a daily basis. Completely frustrating. Trimble buys this fuzzy mess? It doesn't seem worth anything.
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You should be frustrated with Google. It's they who are removing the option to use their imagery.
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If imagery for the US is bad, I can only imagine the quality for it in South America, Africa and Asia!
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Digital globe probably does have high quality imagery...but why isn't Trimble offering it to the customer base?
We are used to a fairly high level of resolution from Google, and new we get this fuzzy crap to work with. (I encourage everyone to go and examine the difference between the two before the May 22 deadline). As a professional, I'm fine if they need to charge for the highest resolution. But to not offer customers ANY good options is infuriating...and it's going to really affect my work and presentation for the worse. I'm surprised that there is not way more discussion about the issue here.UPDATE: from reading Trimble's statements on the actual SketchUp forum, they claim that they are providing the highest level of resolution available from DigitalGlobe. They claim the problem is that DG captures imagery via satellite, and so resolution is inherently lower than that from GE, who uses planes. As I user, I could care less if they use drones or oil tankers...I just need high quality data...and DG is NOT!
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@unknownuser said:
As I user, I could care less if they use drones or oil tankers...I just need high quality data...and DG is NOT!
Totally agree, not only is it not as high of a resolution it's old, working on a site now that has a fairly new building on it which I can see on Google maps but not on the DG imagery.
@unknownuser said:
You should be frustrated with Google. It's they who are removing the option to use their imagery.
I think it's fair to be frustrated with Trimble, I'm losing a feature that I consider valuable and that I paid for and it's being replaced by an inferior product, will my SU license cost less ? I don't understand why Trimble couldn't work out a deal with Google and pay for their map data like a lot of apps do. Or even Bing maps like Autodesk did. DG to me is pretty useless.
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@alpro said:
I don't understand why Trimble couldn't work out a deal with Google and pay for their map data like a lot of apps do. Or even Bing maps like Autodesk did. DG to me is pretty useless.
It's not a case of working out a deal. Google is removing the access to the API. They aren't offering it at all.
According to SketchUp:
@unknownuser said:
We are displaying the highest resolution imagery available from DG. 25cm resolution means that a single pixel in the imagery, covers approximately a 25cm x 25cm area.
@unknownuser said:
...the core use case for Add location is - to approximately locate a building on a site. Trimble is not intending for the imagery to be used for geo-modeling or survey purposes. Users who require a high level of accuracy from their imagery should be sourcing their imagery from a reliable provider.
There are many resources for better imagery and more accurate terrain data than DG or Google Maps.
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Yes I can get better images and terrain data like lidar or dem but how do I get that into Sketchup? Without 10 different work arounds. Might as well go back to Autodesk. And I still feel I have the right to be frustrated with Trimble no matter what Google did, after all it's been Trimble that I have given my money to for the last 5 years and in return I'm getting an inferior replacement for what I consider an important aspect of the software.
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Looks like I'm from the lucky few countries where the DG image quality is actually superior to Google maps.
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@speaker said:
Looks like I'm from the lucky few countries where the DG image quality is actually superior to Google maps.
Which country may that be? Your profile is poorly completed.
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So why can't Bing imagery be an option? ESRI does it if I'm not mistaken.
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@dave r said:
You should be frustrated with Google. It's they who are removing the option to use their imagery.
Not at all. It seems highly likely that google would SELL the data after five years and Trimble did not want to pay Google their rate. So they waited four and a half years for the market to provide something free or nearly free and they didn't get it. So they've given us this useless fuzzy garbage. This is NOT data that anyone should be paying for. There is VERY high quality satellite imagery available, with resolutions even higher than GoogleEarth...Trimble just won't pay for it...or give us the option to pay for it. I could be wrong but I'd bet a pizza that I'm not.
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@alpro said:
Yes I can get better images and terrain data like lidar or dem but how do I get that into Sketchup? Without 10 different work arounds. Might as well go back to Autodesk. And I still feel I have the right to be frustrated with Trimble no matter what Google did, after all it's been Trimble that I have given my money to for the last 5 years and in return I'm getting an inferior replacement for what I consider an important aspect of the software.
Absolutely agree. It's like someone shooting a photo with a cellphone and saying..."hey, this is top quality-its 30 megapixels". Yeah, and it looks like garbage. Without any hyperbole, it is fair to say that the DG image resolution is radically inferior to GE. Many of you may not care...you may not even use the feature. It is in integral par of my daily workflow. I cannot build existing conditions off that fuzzy imagery nor do I want to include it as part of a graphic presentation to a client. It would look like I just took a giant step backwards to them.
It's the most basic tenet of marketing. NEVER take away something from a customer. ALWAYS give them MORE AND BETTER OPTIONS. (and or course charge more money for added quality)
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