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    • Rich O BrienR Offline
      Rich O Brien Moderator
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      That's a very interesting find Steve.... πŸ‘

      Looks like if a color or image with any transparency is unable to receive shadows.

      Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp πŸ“–

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      • hellnbakH Offline
        hellnbak
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        Thanks Dave, but that sounds like the dreaded (for me) post processing. For whatever reason I like my models (and the photos of the models) to be pure SU. Yeah, I are odd.

        Yes Rich, it's interesting but a real pain in the butt. It's been a big problem with several models recently. Seems like the shadows should still be there, but their darkness would correspond with the opacity setting.

        I was sort of hoping for a miracle work-around, or maybe a plugin or magical Harry Potter spell or something. Dang. 😒

        Don't know what I'll do now

        "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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        • Dave RD Offline
          Dave R
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          Might be time to look at that "dreaded post-processing" again and maybe give it a chance. πŸ˜‰

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          • hellnbakH Offline
            hellnbak
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            Nah, I'm stubborn

            "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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            • Dave RD Offline
              Dave R
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              We already knew that. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜†

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              • BoxB Online
                Box
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                There is a plugin that lets you draw on shadows, can't think what it is just now. Something from Rederiza I think.

                Tig has shadow projector which I think will outline the shadows for you so you can alter the material where the shadow should be so it looks like a shadow, if that makes sense.

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                • TIGT Offline
                  TIG Moderator
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                  And another thing...
                  A textured material using a PNG will not accept shadows even when it is not transparent at all.

                  TIG

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                  • hellnbakH Offline
                    hellnbak
                    last edited by

                    Box-
                    Thanks for the tips, I'll check them out and see what they can do. Even if they don't solve my problem, maybe they can be useful in some other way.

                    TIG -
                    Not sure I understand. Are you saying that if I import a texture as a PNG file vs JPG it will not accept shadows?

                    "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                    • TIGT Offline
                      TIG Moderator
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                      No, a textured material will accept a shadow IF it has NO transparency.
                      BUT if the texture is a PNG it will NEVER accept a shadow.
                      [EDIT: to clarify - if it has a transparency layer set - even if all pixels are opaque!]

                      TIG

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                      • Dave RD Offline
                        Dave R
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                        TIG, I'm not sure I'm following you.

                        Here's a PNG image.
                        Cam Clamp.png

                        I imported it as a texture which is applied to a face.
                        Cam Clamps.png

                        It seems to be accepting shadows.

                        Or do you mean that if there are any transparent pixels in a PNG texture image, none of it will accept shadows?

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                        • hellnbakH Offline
                          hellnbak
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                          I also do not understand. I imported the stone texture as a PNG and it too seems to have no problems accepting the shadow


                          2014-09-28_130433.png

                          "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                          • Rich O BrienR Offline
                            Rich O Brien Moderator
                            last edited by

                            Try a .png in which the pixels are transparent

                            Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp πŸ“–

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                            • Dave RD Offline
                              Dave R
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                              @rich o brien said:

                              Try a .png in which the pixels are transparent

                              Thanks. That makes it clear. πŸ˜„

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                              • hellnbakH Offline
                                hellnbak
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                                What's weird is how the shadow looks with different texture opacity settings -

                                72 percent2014-09-28_130920.png
                                84 percent 2014-09-28_131017.png
                                99 percent 2014-09-28_131105.png
                                and 100 percent 2014-09-28_131124.png

                                "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                                • Dave RD Offline
                                  Dave R
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                                  At 72% you're seeing the shadow on the ground. At 99% the texture isn't transparent enough to see through.

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                                  • hellnbakH Offline
                                    hellnbak
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                                    Had to really think about that but then the "doh!" moment happened. Never would have figured that out on my own, thanks for explaining.

                                    "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                                    • TIGT Offline
                                      TIG Moderator
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                                      To recap...

                                      Materials with < 100% opacity [i.e. transparent] of any kind - plain-color/jpg/png etc - will never receive a shadow.
                                      If they are >= 70% opacity they will cast shadows - unless they use certain types of texture file, see below...

                                      Textured materials that are NOT transparent [100% opaque] will receive and cast shadows, IF the texture file has NO 'transparency layer' defined - e.g. it's a JPG file...

                                      BUT if the texture file is a PNG, AND it also has a 'transparency layer' defined, then it will not receive shadows, AND also it will never cast shadows - even if the material itself is set to be is 100% opaque.
                                      BUT if the material's texture is a PNG file with no 'transparency layer' defined, then it can accept/cast shadows, just like if a JPG file had been used.

                                      TIG

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                                      • hellnbakH Offline
                                        hellnbak
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                                        Yeah, what he said πŸ˜‰

                                        "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                                        • BoxB Online
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                                          There will be a test on this later and your score will count to your final result.

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