[Plugin][$] JointPushPull Interactive - v4.8a - 30 Mar 24

ngeier89

My office has been using the joint/push pull tool for several months and it has worked flawlessly. Recently my firm upgraded to SketchUp 2014 and downloaded the most recent Joint/Push Pull tool but we have not been able to type in an exact dimension offset when using it. I try to type in a number to offset it but nothing happens. We end up just guessing at the dimension. There are several of us that are SU savvy so I don't believe it's just us because none of us can figure it out. It use to be that you just type in the number you want. Can anyone help? I've watched the youtube videos but it doesn't seem like they have the same issue I have. Thanks.

Nathan

fredo6

@ngeier89 said:

My office has been using the joint/push pull tool for several months and it has worked flawlessly. Recently my firm upgraded to SketchUp 2014 and downloaded the most recent Joint/Push Pull tool but we have not been able to type in an exact dimension offset when using it. I try to type in a number to offset it but nothing happens. We end up just guessing at the dimension. There are several of us that are SU savvy so I don't believe it's just us because none of us can figure it out. It use to be that you just type in the number you want. Can anyone help? I've watched the youtube videos but it doesn't seem like they have the same issue I have. Thanks.

Nathan

Well, a few questions:

do you see the value appear in the VCB?
Do you get an error (in red under the palette button)
does it work manually (by push-pulling with the mouse)?

Could you open the Ruby console while doing the tests so that you see potential errors.

Fredo

StamatisPsarras

I am experiencing similar problems with Jeff.
I am on windows 64but Sketchup 2014

this is what writes in the console

@unknownuser said:

Error: #<NoMethodError: undefined method entityID' for #<Sketchup::Model:0xad00970>> C:/Users/spsarras/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6FacePicker.rb:791:in selection_add_remove_faces'
C:/Users/spsarras/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6FacePicker.rb:744:in selection_validate' C:/Users/spsarras/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6FacePicker.rb:622:in selection_validate_if_add'
C:/Users/spsarras/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb:670:in selection_freeze_positions' C:/Users/spsarras/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb:1270:in onLButtonDown'

and yes it does that on a fresh/simple model. With all tools in joint push and pull. I also briefly noticed problems on other Fredo tools.

Thank you in advance

tt_su

Have you disabled Dynamic Components by any chance?

fredo6

Yes. weird. It is strange that a Model object has no entityID method defined (which is normally "Model").

This may explain why some users cannot select faces in JPP if this problem occurs.

Fredo

tt_su

@fredo6 said:

Yes. weird. It is strange that a Model object has no entityID method defined (which is normally "Model").

Yea, Model doesn't inherit from Entity and some methods are not mirrored. It's an annoying inconsistency.

StamatisPsarras

@tt_su
You were right dynamic components was disabled! Now it works, thanks!

StamatisPsarras

I am also getting this error in a complex model.
Any ideas what I should avoid when modeling, so it wont happen again?

Date; 29-Apr-14 18;16;21
An error occured in Joint Push Pull
Error in generation of the geometry

undefined method `smooth?' for nil;NilClass
 
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 1107 -- block in geometry_coplanar_edges_overhang
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 1105 -- each
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 1105 -- each_with_index
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 1105 -- geometry_coplanar_edges_overhang
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 354 -- block in geometry_robot_erase_coplanar_edges
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 352 -- each
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 352 -- geometry_robot_erase_coplanar_edges
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 214 -- robot_call_action
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 177 -- geometry_robot_exec
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 160 -- geometry_robot
JointPushPullGeometry.rb; 75 -- block in geometry_execute
Lib6Operation.rb; 317 -- call
Lib6Operation.rb; 317 -- step_geometry
Lib6Operation.rb; 278 -- block in yield?
-e; 1 -- call

fredo6

@unknownuser said:

I am also getting this error in a complex model.
Any ideas what I should avoid when modeling, so it wont happen again?

Unfortunately, these kind of errors may happen with complex models where the generated offset surface contains overlaps. This is due to the fast method of generation. I have the plan to have a default safe generation method to takeover when there are such errors. Should go in a next release.

Fredo

martccs

Good afternoon everyone. I am Brazilian and I have read all this post and already tried almost everything here was suggestible. my problem is this: I have windows 8.1 64bit and working with sketchup pro 2014 beixei all files and procedures as indicated and it worked for about 20 minutes and then the Joint push pull bar disappeared.. since then redo all the steps as before to have it installed and do not get any results. Nothing happens. I no longer need to install it and use this to my architectural projects. I'm getting disappointed and frustrated with this and am about to give this application which is great but does not work.

OBS:. I have other plugins in sketchup and whenever I open the program pops up a list of read error indicating several or all plugins.

Thanks in advance,
Marcelo Cordeiro.

cotty

Have you upgraded from a previous version of SU and copied older plugins from there?

fredo6

Marcelo,

The best is that you install PluginStore once, and then make all the Plugin installations by Auto-install from the PluginStore.

Note: to run JointPushPull, you also need to install LibFredo6

Fredo

PS: if you have errors at startup, could you post them in this forum so that we can have a look. This may help

rv1974

Fredo, (hope it sounds intriguing enough to you)
would it be possible to add some importantfeature-
The Inset (a.k.a. Offset) on push-pulled face?
and if push-pull value=0 it could become 'multiple offset tool'.
and.. it'd be desirable if the offset faces would stay selected after routine execution.
Side note: Generally speaking it's about the 3D chamfer with one of two* distances set to 0, and maybe some part of the code could expand the functionality of your 'Sharp corner'?

the general idea.

The Acad's Chamfer command with 'Distance' option selected. 2 diffrent distances were set (10 and 5 in this example). The selection order sets the
orientation of the 'distance chamfer'.
PS The file can be opened in any web browser.

dedmin

See the video - SU 2014 Pro, Win 7 64 bit
Video_2014-06-01_171452.wmv

fredo6

@dedmin said:

See the video - SU 2014 Pro, Win 7 64 bit
[attachment=0:im4gt3by]Video_2014-06-01_171452.wmv[/attachment:im4gt3by]

I'll have a look. Even, if holding the mouse wheel while entering a value in the VCB is not exactly the standard behavior, I think I need to make JPP a little bit safer.

Fredo

martccs

@fredo6 said:

@dedmin said:

See the video - SU 2014 Pro, Win 7 64 bit
[attachment=0:g6nhkill]Video_2014-06-01_171452.wmv[/attachment:g6nhkill]

I'll have a look. Even, if holding the mouse wheel while entering a value in the VCB is not exactly the standard behavior, I think I need to make JPP a little bit safer.

Fredo

So Fredo I'm getting use push pull join but only after having given up version skp 2014 to 2013 and returned to the pro version and only then. Thus use of a plugin with more efficiency. I have LibFredo6. Do you have the link to the Pluginstore? I can not connect or download anything through the warehouse extension.

Cotty I only use the 2013 version of skp and plugins are the LibFredo6 versions that were downloaded the most recent and only use these.

AOBS:. Now I can not use the tool 1001bittools =^(

Thank you all.

TIG

@Marcello

http://sketchucation.com/pluginstore

BorgMan

OK, I've been trying, but I can't seem to get this plugin to work properly and it's been pissing me off

In the former version, whenever I wanted to push-pull, I clicked the surface (because P-P didn't do that automatically), select the desired tool, went into a direction and then entered the dimension I wanted it to have. Worked like a charm.

With the new update... HOORAY! I don't need to pre-select!.. but... why won't you do stuff? Why do you keep telling me the next time I click you'll deselect? I don't want that, because I want to enter a dimension in the VCB, which I can't do if I hold down my mouse button! Hey, one way or another, I kind of figured it out! Great, then now I'll enter a dimension!

... eh... no... that's not right. When hitting enter, it took the dimension in the Push-Pull menu bar, instead of the one I just entered in sketchup itself in the lower right corner. Wait. That's strange. You never did that? And why are you accepting it as that value anyway when I hit backspace to change my value?

I'm confused and annoyed, especially because the former version was as simple as selecting the desired face and then just a click with the selected tool And... well... it's kind of slow in selecting faces when not preselecting and using the new selectionable method with the tool of your choice... Which is strange because I'm running both SketchUp and the tools suite from a hyperthreaded quad-core on 2,25GHz and an SSD. What's going on? What am I doing wrong?

OK, select my face. According to the RTFM, this is now unnecesary, but these are multiple faces, so I like to pre-select :)

So, now I'll select the desired Push-Pull tool...

... eh? I already told you which faces I want to extrude? Why are you telling me to deselect? Do not want!

OK... Managed to get it to work some way or another but not exactly sure how after all the fiddling I did... but why won't you listen to my input? (lower right corner: 0,05 vs value P-P menu bar: 0,100)

Dave R

@borgman said:

With the new update... HOORAY! I don't need to pre-select!.. but... why won't you do stuff? Why do you keep telling me the next time I click you'll deselect? I don't want that, because I want to enter a dimension in the VCB, which I can't do if I hold down my mouse button! Hey, one way or another, I kind of figured it out! Great, then now I'll enter a dimension!

It works great if you do it right. Click and hold the mouse button while moving to start the extrusion. Then just let go of the mouse and type the distance. Don't click again. Or are you clicking in the VCB? If you are doing that, don't. There's no reason to do that. It's the same as with the native tools.

@borgman said:

... eh... no... that's not right. When hitting enter, it took the dimension in the Push-Pull menu bar, instead of the one I just entered in sketchup itself in the lower right corner. Wait. That's strange. You never did that? And why are you accepting it as that value anyway when I hit backspace to change my value?

The value in the JPP info bar shows the Offset value you type in the VCB. If you want to change the value after you've entered one, don't hit Backspace. Just type a new value. This is exactly the same behavior as with any native tool which accepts values in the VCB.

@borgman said:

I'm confused and annoyed, especially because the former version was as simple as selecting the desired face and then just a click with the selected tool And... well... it's kind of slow in selecting faces when not preselecting and using the new selectionable method with the tool of your choice... Which is strange because I'm running both SketchUp and the tools suite from a hyperthreaded quad-core on 2,25GHz and an SSD. What's going on?

It doesn't matter that you have a quad-core CPU and a SSD. SketchUp only uses a single core anyway.

If you really want to use the obsolete JPP instead, you can. This version has so much more capability, though, I don't know why you wouldn't just want to learn to use it correctly.

@borgman said:

What am I doing wrong?

Hmmm.....

By the way, why don't you complete your profile with SU version and OS?

BorgMan

I tried your tips, Dave R. I click on the face, move it, but when I let go of my mouse button, this tells the program that I'm done with whatever I was doing and render. I just now tried this with the Vector tool. I'm trying to let it follow a line I just drew, which in the obsolete tool suite I did by selecting a face, selecting the Vector tool, click on an endpoint and then dragging it so that it follows a predefined straight line I had set up. When I just tried to do that, it won't accept it. When trying to emulate what I did in the obsolete version, I tried to get as close to the endpoint on the left as possible while staying on the desired face; that red dot is as close as I can get, because it'll go off to another face if I get any closer. Select the face instead so that I don't trail off won't work as it will go off to that other faces anyway?

I then tried to let it regular Follow Me, but this creates a gap in faces; that's the whole reason why I'm using Vector Push-Pull. I also tried to use the JPP Follow Me tool, although in a way I use the regular Follow Me: select a line I want it to follow, and then select the face with JPP Follow Me tool, but it won't follow.

You're right about my SU version and OS; I'll change that right away.

On a side note: as in why I'm not "willing" to learn to use it properly? I'm more than willing, it's just that, coming from a former version of JPP, it feels sluggish to relearn a lot of stuff I thought I had already mastered, only to find that the whole suite works differently than before. I hope you understand that if someone says "just do it such and so and etc" instead of the suite working the same way as it did, is kind of a bummer...