SketchUp 2013 ;)
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@krisidious said:
So $1000.00 for Rhino and then $400.00 that plugin and what do I get? I saw nothing there that I can't do with SU/Layout for a $95 upgrade.
i'm not trying to spend your money or make you use rhino etc.. i was just pointing out that the stuff you said (in the quotes) was actually pretty far from the truth
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@unknownuser said:
You're comparing Sketchup to things it was never supposed to be and whatsmore those things cannot build a set of construction documents for a structure. For pure modelers that are only interested in making games, movies or renders and especially organics then those programs are great, for designing, building in 3D and then documenting for construction they can't compete.
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You and Jason say it's "far from the truth" but I have yet to see any facts to the contrary. I see a similar Layout Program, Not many examples, None of the Architectural tools to the extent I already have; and this is all to the point of Form.z is "Better" than SU and they "care" more about us. I don't see it. Whatsmore the price is much higher.
It does have some of the architectural tools but each and every one I have investigated is inferior to what I have in SU/Layout with my plugins. Perhaps it has nurbs and more complex modeling handling but those are not things that interest me enough to switch. You can buy Vali Architects and 1001 bit Pro for under $100 and the tools within are infinitely better than anything I see in Rhino or Form.z
You say it's so much better, the burden of proof is on you, not me... Prove it. If I were a Rhino user on a Rhino forum I would expect someone touting SketchUp there to prove it, not just say you're wrong. Show me examples of things I can do there that I can't do here.
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@krisidious said:
You say it's so much better, the burden of proof is on you, not me... Prove it.
this isn't the right thread to prove it in nor is it my desire to prove it.. pretty much the only thing i care to say about it is that i've used sketchup since 2004.. started flirting with rhino a couple of years ago.. and it's now my go to application
[edit] actually 2003.
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@slbaumgartner said:
@archheni said:
@thomthom said:
@archheni said:
Every restart will wipe out all non-native plugins and tools..
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What's being wiped out?..All non-native plugins on the customized toolbar.
This looks to me like a long-standing issue has simply continued. Every time I start SketchUp on the Mac, it opens a blank file window with a toolbar that contains only the built-ins. If I close that file and do a File->New, the customized toolbar is restored. Despite numerous complaints in the past, it appears that 2013 does nothing about this...
Yes, this used to be the workaround. However now it doesn't work anymore. To quote ThomThom: "It only works on native toolbars. Doesn't work on Ruby Toolbars unfortunately."
OK, tried again today after a fresh reinstall - now the customized toolbar get's restored again with this workaround..that's one good thing at least.
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@valerostudio said:
Get yourself Mystic Thumbs.http://mysticcoder.net/mysticthumbs.html
Thanks for the suggestion. I looked at the forums regarding Thumbs, but was concerned over reports it can hang the PC when looking at network folders, where we keep all our data.
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@archheni said:
Yes, this used to be the workaround. However now it doesn't work anymore. To quote ThomThom: "It only works on native toolbars. Doesn't work on Ruby Toolbars unfortunately."
I was referring to the new toolbar system on Windows. Didn't realize that OSX ha toolbar problems as well. Though it was just us peecee guys...
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@ilay7k said:
i see severals from sketchup team, they lost in corners like cowards
Mind your language - keep it polite.
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@adamb said:
Just to lighten the mood a tad, don't make the mistake I did and google for "Rhino Extensions" .
Definitely NSFW!
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First impressions are that SU 2013 is a seriously underwhelming upgrade, and the new licencing restrictions make it a major step backwards in many ways. I've yet to try it out with a large model, so I'll tentatively reserve judgement, but if the updates continue at the same rate that they have done in the past there seems little obvious advantage to be gained from making the switch from SU 8 unless you make much use of Layout.
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@john.warburton said:
I've yet to try it out with a large model, so I'll tentatively reserve judgement
I've not noticed much change in terms of handling more geometry. But there's indication that some plugins perform faster. I'm still trying to run some profiling.
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@alan fraser said:
@tomasz said:
My impression is that SU2013 have been released earlier then expected, because the new feature of "extension warehouse" have had to start competing with SCF "Plugin store" as soon as possible.
There is no 'competition' the extension warehouse is built right into the program. Sketchucation always has been a great resource and community, but the plain fact remains that most SU users are unaware of its existence...or if they are, they don't visit.
Right. The "extension warehouse" will reach much broader audience... but it doesn't work in SU8 ((free) for commercial use)
Now when I think about it, there can be more reasons for this: financial, summer holidays coming in the northern hemisphere... I know well that a middle of a summer is not the best time for a release.
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@thomthom said:
@archheni said:
Yes, this used to be the workaround. However now it doesn't work anymore. To quote ThomThom: "It only works on native toolbars. Doesn't work on Ruby Toolbars unfortunately."
I was referring to the new toolbar system on Windows. Didn't realize that OSX ha toolbar problems as well. Though it was just us peecee guys...
nah.. i think archeni's testing went astray somewhere along the lines..
as far as i can tell, the toolbars on osx are functioning exactly the same in 2013 as 8 and prior. -
@unknownuser said:
@thomthom said:
@archheni said:
Yes, this used to be the workaround. However now it doesn't work anymore. To quote ThomThom: "It only works on native toolbars. Doesn't work on Ruby Toolbars unfortunately."
I was referring to the new toolbar system on Windows. Didn't realize that OSX ha toolbar problems as well. Though it was just us peecee guys...
nah.. i think archeni's testing went astray somewhere along the lines..
as far as i can tell, the toolbars on osx are functioning exactly the same in 2013 as 8 and prior.Yes, have edited the previous post already. The customized toolbar can get restored again with the known workaround on Mac - Close File after restart and do a File->New.
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Shouldn't SCF buy them?
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My two pence worth. They COULD have built some bridges here and just released the 'upgrade' free. Not exactly something bean counters would like but coming from the viewpoint of a user, the problems in the program that have been ignored for so long could have been smoothed over with a bit of confidence inspiring publicity.
I think they missed a seriously good opportunity to start fresh without the prior bad blood being part of the mix, that and a little more information.Sketchup has good points as well as bad and having looked around I will acknowledge this. Why some problems have survived as long as they have confuses me but, bean counters industry wide STILL have too much influence over the fix bugs or bring in shiny new features arguement. My prime premise still stands, why point out the simplicity of sketchup and then struggle to fit new applications within it? Why when there are basic items that require fixing? The change to the extentions is worthwhile imho, I know that independent ruby scripters kept things rolling for some time but frankly this might be a mechanism for proper control, removing scripts that are not worth the download time and ease stability problems.
If you want me to list all the issues you obviously missed the last few years here at sketchucation, we all know the things that could and should be simply done to improve the program. My two pence worth.
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@tomasz said:
Right. The "extension warehouse" will reach much broader audience... but it doesn't work in SU8 ((free) for commercial use)
Now when I think about it, there can be more reasons for this: financial, summer holidays coming in the northern hemisphere... I know well that a middle of a summer is not the best time for a release.
The Extension Warehouse wiindow in SU is just a web dialog box. It works anywhere. You can get to it by merely typing the URL into any browser address bar.
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@alan fraser said:
@tomasz said:
Right. The "extension warehouse" will reach much broader audience... but it doesn't work in SU8 ((free) for commercial use)
Now when I think about it, there can be more reasons for this: financial, summer holidays coming in the northern hemisphere... I know well that a middle of a summer is not the best time for a release.
The Extension Warehouse wiindow in SU is just a web dialog box. It works anywhere. You can get to it by merely typing the URL into any browser address bar.
Am I reading this right and does Trimble actually consider Sketchucation as a competitor?
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@kwistenbiebel said:
Ooooh, what an amusing thread lol
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Don't you miss the @Last era ? When all was fresh with a fragrance of pioneering ?
Each new version of @Last was a new breath of fresh air.
You could actually feel the passion in the work of the developers.
Good timesI remember similar debates and discussions over the past years...
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