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    • Rich O BrienR Offline
      Rich O Brien Moderator
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      What are you seeing when you export as a 2D graphic?

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      • hellnbakH Offline
        hellnbak
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        Gotta head into Holland now, will check when I get back

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        • ToboboT Offline
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          Could the inside face be transparent?

          Maybe you accidentally painted the component with the transparent texture?

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          • hellnbakH Offline
            hellnbak
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            Ok, here's what I've found out so far --

            It looks exactly the same when exported as a 2D graphic.

            As far as the colors being transparent or whatever, here's what happened when I experimented with the door outer shell
            The next three photos are just to show the colors involved
            a 1.png
            b 1.png
            c 1.png
            When I paint the bottom half of the door black, the shadows are correct for that section....
            d 1.png
            BUT, when the light comes from the other direction (with the bottom half still painted black), the shadow is still missing
            f 1.png

            I'm really tired right now and probably not thinking real straight, and I have little doubt that it will turn out to be something really simple that I've overlooked, but I don't know what else to look for.

            "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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            • hellnbakH Offline
              hellnbak
              last edited by

              Here's the SKP of the door shell if anybody thinks that would help.


              Ford Shadow Problem.skp

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              • mitcorbM Offline
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                Is this from that batch of new colors you loaded? Maybe not

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                • hellnbakH Offline
                  hellnbak
                  last edited by

                  @mitcorb said:

                  Is this from that batch of new colors you loaded? Maybe not

                  No, these were from quite a while back, long before I added any colors to the Materials folder.

                  "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                  • W Offline
                    wyatt
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                    I don't know why this works, but if you change all the green materials to 99% opacity, the shadows appear. I also replaced your materials with new ones and the shadows also appeared. There must be something wrong with the way those materials were created/edited, but I don't know what that might have been.

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                    • hellnbakH Offline
                      hellnbak
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                      @unknownuser said:

                      I don't know why this works, but if you change all the green materials to 99% opacity, the shadows appear. I also replaced your materials with new ones and the shadows also appeared. There must be something wrong with the way those materials were created/edited, but I don't know what that might have been.

                      Well, I can live with 99% opacity. As far as where the colors came from, it's been quite a while but I think I might have sampled them from a photo of an actual 56 Ford Sunliner with the color combination I wanted. But I don't see how that would have any bearing on the strange behavior.

                      Yep, found where I sampled the photos. Also sampled for the interior colors, guess that might explain the problems with the seats.

                      Very strange.

                      k.png

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                      • C Offline
                        Charlie__V
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                        Hell,

                        If you "paint with default"......ford-fairlane-victoria-1956.jpg......will be the default.

                        I cannot explain why........though the model default is not "ford-fairlane-victoria-1956.jpg"

                        Charlie


                        Ford shadow.....Paint with default

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                        • hellnbakH Offline
                          hellnbak
                          last edited by

                          @unknownuser said:

                          Hell,

                          If you "paint with default"......ford-fairlane-victoria-1956.jpg......will be the default.

                          I cannot explain why........though the model default is not "ford-fairlane-victoria-1956.jpg"

                          Charlie

                          I'm not really sure what you're saying here. I just sampled the colors I needed using the "Match Color On Screen" eyedropper.

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                          • ToboboT Offline
                            Tobobo
                            last edited by

                            Strangely when I open the skip the shadows work fine.

                            Ford Shadow Problem.jpg

                            Maybe I'm missing something

                            Toby

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                            • thomthomT Offline
                              thomthom
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                              @hellnbak said:

                              Well, I can live with 99% opacity

                              That's going to hurt performance. Transparency adds overhead to processing of the model in the viewport.

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                              • thomthomT Offline
                                thomthom
                                last edited by

                                Have you tried without Hardware Acceleration? In case this is a graphic card / driver issue.
                                What card and driver version do you have?

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                                • thomthomT Offline
                                  thomthom
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                                  Ah! I know what this is!

                                  I actually wrote about this some time ago: http://www.thomthom.net/thoughts/2012/03/the-secrets-of-sketchups-materials/
                                  (Scroll down to Bug with Materials and Color Alpha Channel and see example and description of bug.)

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                                  • thomthomT Offline
                                    thomthom
                                    last edited by

                                    Very nice model by the way! 👍 👍

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                                    • hellnbakH Offline
                                      hellnbak
                                      last edited by

                                      You the man!!!

                                      While I don't pretend to understand any of the reasoning behind it, it did the trick!

                                      You are now on my Xmas card list

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                                      • hellnbakH Offline
                                        hellnbak
                                        last edited by

                                        @tobobo said:

                                        Strangely when I open the skip the shadows work fine.

                                        Maybe I'm missing something

                                        Maybe you had already run ThomThom's miraculous fix?

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                                        • thomthomT Offline
                                          thomthom
                                          last edited by

                                          @hellnbak said:

                                          While I don't pretend to understand any of the reasoning behind it, it did the trick!

                                          It's a bug in the quirky design of SketchUp materials.

                                          A material has a Color property - and Color property contains RGBA info.
                                          Materials normally ignore the A value of the colour and use the Alpha property of the Material itself.
                                          However, for some reason, when the Color property has the alpha value set to 0 the object doesn't case a shadow. And sampling materials with the Sample Color from Screen tool can in some cases set the wrong A value for the Color property.
                                          This is a bug I've reported to the SketchUp team.

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                                          • hellnbakH Offline
                                            hellnbak
                                            last edited by

                                            @thomthom said:

                                            @hellnbak said:

                                            Well, I can live with 99% opacity

                                            That's going to hurt performance. Transparency adds overhead to processing of the model in the viewport.

                                            You mean that whenever I make a material transparent, even just a little transparent, it affects the processing of the model enough to hurt performance? Or did you say that just because the affected materials in this case pretty much involve the entire exterior and some of the interior of the model?

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