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    [Solved]Shadows acting funky

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    • hellnbakH Offline
      hellnbak
      last edited by

      Just so you know that it isn't the most likely problem, I have checked each component involved.
      3.png

      "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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      • Rich O BrienR Offline
        Rich O Brien Moderator
        last edited by

        What are you seeing when you export as a 2D graphic?

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        • hellnbakH Offline
          hellnbak
          last edited by

          Gotta head into Holland now, will check when I get back

          "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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          • ToboboT Offline
            Tobobo
            last edited by

            Could the inside face be transparent?

            Maybe you accidentally painted the component with the transparent texture?

            Toby

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            • hellnbakH Offline
              hellnbak
              last edited by

              Ok, here's what I've found out so far --

              It looks exactly the same when exported as a 2D graphic.

              As far as the colors being transparent or whatever, here's what happened when I experimented with the door outer shell
              The next three photos are just to show the colors involved
              a 1.png
              b 1.png
              c 1.png
              When I paint the bottom half of the door black, the shadows are correct for that section....
              d 1.png
              BUT, when the light comes from the other direction (with the bottom half still painted black), the shadow is still missing
              f 1.png

              I'm really tired right now and probably not thinking real straight, and I have little doubt that it will turn out to be something really simple that I've overlooked, but I don't know what else to look for.

              "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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              • hellnbakH Offline
                hellnbak
                last edited by

                Here's the SKP of the door shell if anybody thinks that would help.


                Ford Shadow Problem.skp

                "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                • mitcorbM Offline
                  mitcorb
                  last edited by

                  Is this from that batch of new colors you loaded? Maybe not

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                  • hellnbakH Offline
                    hellnbak
                    last edited by

                    @mitcorb said:

                    Is this from that batch of new colors you loaded? Maybe not

                    No, these were from quite a while back, long before I added any colors to the Materials folder.

                    "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                    • W Offline
                      wyatt
                      last edited by

                      I don't know why this works, but if you change all the green materials to 99% opacity, the shadows appear. I also replaced your materials with new ones and the shadows also appeared. There must be something wrong with the way those materials were created/edited, but I don't know what that might have been.

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                      • hellnbakH Offline
                        hellnbak
                        last edited by

                        @unknownuser said:

                        I don't know why this works, but if you change all the green materials to 99% opacity, the shadows appear. I also replaced your materials with new ones and the shadows also appeared. There must be something wrong with the way those materials were created/edited, but I don't know what that might have been.

                        Well, I can live with 99% opacity. As far as where the colors came from, it's been quite a while but I think I might have sampled them from a photo of an actual 56 Ford Sunliner with the color combination I wanted. But I don't see how that would have any bearing on the strange behavior.

                        Yep, found where I sampled the photos. Also sampled for the interior colors, guess that might explain the problems with the seats.

                        Very strange.

                        k.png

                        "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                        • C Offline
                          Charlie__V
                          last edited by

                          Hell,

                          If you "paint with default"......ford-fairlane-victoria-1956.jpg......will be the default.

                          I cannot explain why........though the model default is not "ford-fairlane-victoria-1956.jpg"

                          Charlie


                          Ford shadow.....Paint with default

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                          • hellnbakH Offline
                            hellnbak
                            last edited by

                            @unknownuser said:

                            Hell,

                            If you "paint with default"......ford-fairlane-victoria-1956.jpg......will be the default.

                            I cannot explain why........though the model default is not "ford-fairlane-victoria-1956.jpg"

                            Charlie

                            I'm not really sure what you're saying here. I just sampled the colors I needed using the "Match Color On Screen" eyedropper.

                            "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                            • ToboboT Offline
                              Tobobo
                              last edited by

                              Strangely when I open the skip the shadows work fine.

                              Ford Shadow Problem.jpg

                              Maybe I'm missing something

                              Toby

                              Philippians 4:13

                              I can do everything through him who gives me strength.

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                              • thomthomT Offline
                                thomthom
                                last edited by

                                @hellnbak said:

                                Well, I can live with 99% opacity

                                That's going to hurt performance. Transparency adds overhead to processing of the model in the viewport.

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                                • thomthomT Offline
                                  thomthom
                                  last edited by

                                  Have you tried without Hardware Acceleration? In case this is a graphic card / driver issue.
                                  What card and driver version do you have?

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                                  • thomthomT Offline
                                    thomthom
                                    last edited by

                                    Ah! I know what this is!

                                    I actually wrote about this some time ago: http://www.thomthom.net/thoughts/2012/03/the-secrets-of-sketchups-materials/
                                    (Scroll down to Bug with Materials and Color Alpha Channel and see example and description of bug.)

                                    To fix all materials in your model, enter this one-liner in your Ruby Console:
                                    Sketchup.active_model.start_operation('Fix Materials',true);Sketchup.active_model.materials.each { |m| c=m.color.to_a; c[3]=255; m.color=*c; };Sketchup.active_model.commit_operation

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                                    • thomthomT Offline
                                      thomthom
                                      last edited by

                                      Very nice model by the way! 👍 👍

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                                      • hellnbakH Offline
                                        hellnbak
                                        last edited by

                                        You the man!!!

                                        While I don't pretend to understand any of the reasoning behind it, it did the trick!

                                        You are now on my Xmas card list

                                        "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                                        • hellnbakH Offline
                                          hellnbak
                                          last edited by

                                          @tobobo said:

                                          Strangely when I open the skip the shadows work fine.

                                          Maybe I'm missing something

                                          Maybe you had already run ThomThom's miraculous fix?

                                          "Politicians are just like diapers -- they need to be changed often, and for the same reason"

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                                          • thomthomT Offline
                                            thomthom
                                            last edited by

                                            @hellnbak said:

                                            While I don't pretend to understand any of the reasoning behind it, it did the trick!

                                            It's a bug in the quirky design of SketchUp materials.

                                            A material has a Color property - and Color property contains RGBA info.
                                            Materials normally ignore the A value of the colour and use the Alpha property of the Material itself.
                                            However, for some reason, when the Color property has the alpha value set to 0 the object doesn't case a shadow. And sampling materials with the Sample Color from Screen tool can in some cases set the wrong A value for the Color property.
                                            This is a bug I've reported to the SketchUp team.

                                            Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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