A new home for SketchUp
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Hello mates, I've been reading this article http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/usernotice.html
and I started being worried about my geolocated 3D models from Google Earth 3D-Buildings Layer.
The fragment of text which really bothers me is:
Google will provide Trimble with a license right to use these models in Trimble’s products (including continued use in SketchUp and in any future 3D model repository which Trimble may create).
Does that mean that Trimble will be able to incorporate my models into their comercial products and sell them as a part of the software or as an addition, download access for paying users? Does that mean that Trimble will get profit from my models just because Google will license them to use these models? Can I opt out for this to happen? I want my models to be part of only Google Earth 3D-buildings Layer. Can the models be deleted from Google Earth and erased completly from 3D W H or will it remain a copy that Google will keep?Thank you for your attention.
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Trimble are taking over Google's agreement with you as a poster on that site.
Trimble can do no more with your content than Google could have.
Once posted it is in the public domain, but its use is limited by the mutual agreement, as it is by anyone who might download your stuff otherwise... -
@luckyfox said:
@tig said:
Trimble are taking over Google's agreement with you as a poster on that site.
Trimble can do no more with your content than Google could have.
Once posted it is in the public domain, but its use is limited by the mutual agreement, as it is by anyone who might download your stuff otherwise...my stuff has locked download access on 3DWH, so nobody can download it now. I am worried about the future of my models, as I invested time and creativity into doing real quality stuff for GE. I am affraid of the models becoming downloadable under Trimble. I had problems in the past as of others using my models for comercial purpose, before google introduced the access function in 3DWH where you are able to lock the download. That's why I consider deleting my content from 3DWH.
What is your agreement with Google?
You will have the same agreement with Trimble when it's transferred.
If, under the agreement, Google were able to change the accessibility of your files without your consent, or use them for their own purposes; then Trimble could do the same.
If not then Trimble are similarly limited. -
@tig said:
Trimble are taking over Google's agreement with you as a poster on that site.
Trimble can do no more with your content than Google could have.
Once posted it is in the public domain, but its use is limited by the mutual agreement, as it is by anyone who might download your stuff otherwise...my stuff has locked download access on 3DWH, so nobody can download it now. I am worried about the future of my models, as I invested time and creativity into doing real quality stuff for GE. I am affraid of the models becoming downloadable under Trimble. I had problems in the past as of others using my models for comercial purpose, before google introduced the access function in 3DWH where you are able to lock the download. That's why I consider deleting my content from 3DWH.
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@johnsenior1973 said:
@jason_maranto said:
In the long-term Building Maker is a doomed product too -- as it is only a useful item for the near-term goals... but sooner or later manual model creation for GE will be redundant.
Isn't SU a doomed product as well then?
What do you mean? To me SU (plus rubies) is a powerful 3D design tool. It's a powerful competitor in the field of 3D modeling. Building Maker is a different animal altogether - not a design tool at all but a documentation tool. (which may soon be supplanted by better automation methods, as Jason indicates.)
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Will this whole transfer halt all developments of paid plugins like Vray, Podium? I've been anticipating Vray for so long, now looks like its gonna freeze...
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@andybot said:
@johnsenior1973 said:
@jason_maranto said:
In the long-term Building Maker is a doomed product too -- as it is only a useful item for the near-term goals... but sooner or later manual model creation for GE will be redundant.
Isn't SU a doomed product as well then?
What do you mean? To me SU (plus rubies) is a powerful 3D design tool. It's a powerful competitor in the field of 3D modeling. Building Maker is a different animal altogether - not a design tool at all but a documentation tool. (which may soon be supplanted by better automation methods, as Jason indicates.)
So automated model generation is going to kill Building Maker, but it isn't going to affect SketchUp at all?
SketchUp is an awesome program. It's my favourite program and I love it, but its strength isn't in its power, it is in its speed and simplicity. But in the future if models are going to be easily created automatically, one must question whether some other 3D program won't include these automated methods, and mean that SketchUp is as redundant as Jason thinks BM will be.
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..... 'some other 3D program' What other program? Maybe SketchUp will in some way evolve into that 'other 3D program'!
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I'm talking about new "content". I use Sketchup day in and day out to work on new building designs. How is "automated model generation" going to do that? For my part, I don't see anything better and more flexible than Sketchup for design.
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@johnsenior1973 said:
SketchUp is an awesome program. It's my favourite program and I love it, but its strength isn't in its power, it is in its speed and simplicity. But in the future if models are going to be easily created automatically, one must question whether some other 3D program won't include these automated methods, and mean that SketchUp is as redundant as Jason thinks BM will be.
umm ... I don't think so. How some one could do that for new building?
I'm a bit worried about 3D Warehouse now. If there's any rushed attempt to sell something that equal to current free contents on that updated website, I think it will make a big negative feedbacks and fear enough for a lot of people. That would affected a lot to SketchUp free users and even pros. I really feel like to hear some words from authorities before the deal closed. -
I highly (highly!) doubt Trimble is going to just start selling 3dwh models (as in, everything stays the same except downloading now costs $).. can you imagine the backlash that would create?
it might be neat if they come up with a way to have premium models which are for sale and $ is split between the author and the host.. I don't really see that happening though. at least not immediately
[well, if I'm considering formFonts, then the idea might not be so neat after all
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Takes a lot to get premium models (professional editing like FF does). I don't do a lot from 3D WH, but here are some collections of plants and small entourage etc that are useful, but it can be painful trying to find something on the fly. So much is wrong with many models. When you get a really nice and NOT bloated model, you wonder where it was stolen from
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right.. basically what I was saying was that with a premium service, they could (should?) also have decently strict guidelines for acceptance along with mods to review each model etc.
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All those supposition are not really constructive...why don't we start a thread with a wishlist for this new beginning and we wish good luck to Trimble and the SU Team !!? Just my thoughts...
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@panga said:
All those supposition are not really constructive...why don't we start a thread with a wishlist for this new beginning and we wish good luck to Trimble and the SU Team !!? Just my thoughts...
hmm.. aside from a couple of facts to be found here and there (i.e.- google is selling sketchup to trimble), i though this whole thread was speculation
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Yes...speculation is the right word !
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Speculation indeed but I think Scott Lininger, even though his lips are probably sealed tight, may be trying to tell us where things are!
His new avatar says a lot in one new word! @GoobleUp
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Meh! @Last + Google + Trimble + SketchUp = @GoobleUp. He's telling you they do threesomes.
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@mike lucey said:
Speculation indeed but I think Scott Lininger, even though his lips are probably sealed tight, may be trying to tell us where things are!
His new avatar says a lot in one new word! @GoobleUp
That was his response when I asked for how the new t-shirts where going to be like.
Combination of @last, Google and SketchUp. -
I was gone for most of the day yesterday so I missed the comments on my post until now -- but here's the reality (as I see it) about the future of 3D:
- Infinitely re-usable assets gradually building up in large quantities
I'm not taking about the 3DW here -- although with some effort it could morph into such a place... but I mean more like FF/Turbosquid/Dosch/etc.
- Increased utility of 3D scanning of real world objects
For instance imagine Google street view, but scanned in 3D -- obviously the technology is not to that place yet in terms of affordability/ease of use/accessibility... but it is coming. Tools like this will become the new norm: http://www.photosculpt.net/.
- Parametric Modeling becoming more and more commonplace
Not much to say here... this seems like a good thing, and it is in-terms of efficiency and quality control -- but the side effect is it lowers the entry level for people to produce reasonable quality 3D.
Taking those things into consideration you have to say that for the most part direct 3D modeling will eventually become minority concern. With the wide availability of creating a huge range of 3D images without learning any real modeling skills already a very real phenomena at places like DAZ/Poser.
I've watch several very large workforces, in diverse creative fields, be completely displaced by the steady march of technology -- the majority usually do not see it coming or do not adequately prepare... the time will eventually come for the 3D modeler as well.
That said, this is likely 15-20 years off at this point... so it's not a terribly pressing issue right now. But the one thing you can count on with the march of technology is that manual work (by humans) will be replaced at some point... automation is always the ultimate goal.
Creativity and adaptability are the only things that can keep a person or software from becoming a victim of the steady march of technology. Here at SketchUp we have the Ruby developers -- essentially a huge extension of the dev team that can take the software in any given direction it might need to go (to keep up), and in ways the SketchUp dev team is either unwilling or unable (and I'm not sure which is more damning) to do.
Extensibility is the key -- Photoshop is another great example, a big part of why Photoshop thrived over the years was plugins... take that away and Photoshop would/could have been replaced by now.
Building Maker is limited by design -- there is no extensibility that I know of, so it is doomed to fail(eventually) when its designed purpose is no longer relevant.
Best,
Jason.
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