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    An exercise: DRAWING A PARISIAN FENCE

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    • simon le bonS Offline
      simon le bon
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      @simon le bon said:

      As I can understand the law of this:

      1. the shape must make a number of entire 360° turns
      2. the complet set of edges(included into the basic section) must be used a complete number of times.
      3. the number of edges used in the number of complete turns must meet the number of edges constituting the basic section used to produce the spiral.

      and
      4)the number of entire 360° turns of the shape must be the minimum one (sorry for bad explanation. I think it is the meaning of :"Least common multiple" )
      (It doesn't make sens for the basic shape to go around more than the necessary number!)

      @unknownuser said:

      to be verified!!!!

      I take back Taff's model to make a try to validate my thoughts


      http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/EndlessBowl_017_th.jpg


      http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/EndlessBowl_018_th.jpg


      http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/EndlessBowl_019_th.jpg

      Not bad what do you think! 😎 slb

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      • TaffGochT Offline
        TaffGoch
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        Simon,

        I didn't pursue the precise defining of the calculations, but I sensed the general concept of the relationships.

        When I started on my second model, I roughly estimated a "longitude-to-latitude" ratio that should (might) produce a more-complex, tighter spiral with less slope, and six loops.

        As an intellectual pursuit, yours is a good mental exercise. (Perhaps, if it were mid-winter, and I was snowed-in, then I would have time to wrestle with a precise definition.) 😆

        -Taff

        "Information is not knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

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        • simon le bonS Offline
          simon le bon
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          @taffgoch said:

          (Perhaps, if it were mid-winter, and I was snowed-in, then I would have time to wrestle with a precise definition.) 😆

          😆

          End of the exercise I suppose 😉

          simon!

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          • simon le bonS Offline
            simon le bon
            last edited by

            by Cosycat

            http://www.webdesignmash.com/trial/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/davidope10.gif

            👍 😉 sim

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            • TaffGochT Offline
              TaffGoch
              last edited by

              Cosycat's animated image is inspiring. I thought I'd give it a try, too:

              http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss233/taffgoch/Torus_Spiral.gif

              -Taff

              [ EDIT: I see that Cosycat's image is a creation of David Ope. ]
              http://www.adaptcreative.co.uk/...
              http://dvdp.tumblr.com/...

              "Information is not knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

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              • simon le bonS Offline
                simon le bon
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                Hi Taff! impressive***

                Can you say a little about your technique and the softs you're using? Please!
                (and very nice links 😉 )

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                • ely862meE Offline
                  ely862me
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                  @simon le bon said:

                  Hi Taff! impressive***

                  Can you say a little about your technique and the softs you're using? Please!

                  Looks like sketchup physics and a screen recorder(camstudio maybe).

                  Taff if u used Camstudio,please let me know ur settings ,i can t make it record that smoother.
                  Thanks!

                  Elisei (sketchupper)


                  Before no life was done on Earth it was THE LIFE ITSELF...GOD
                  Come and See EliseiDesign

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                  • R Offline
                    Roger
                    last edited by

                    Do not, I repeat "DO NOT" stare at these images for 15 minutes and then try to walk down the stairs!

                    http://www.azcreative.com

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                    • TaffGochT Offline
                      TaffGoch
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                      @unknownuser said:

                      Do not, I repeat "DO NOT" stare at these images for 15 minutes and then try to walk down the stairs!

                      😆 Not to mention just walking across the room, without losing your lunch! 😆

                      -Taff

                      "Information is not knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

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                      • TaffGochT Offline
                        TaffGoch
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                        Simon & Elisei,

                        I tried using Camstudio, initially, but the results were poor. Camstudio is easy, but doesn't always provide quality results. It's great, for what it is intended, but there is a better option for a "looped" animation of limited frames -- GIF animation software. (This animation is composed of only 15 frames.)

                        I created the frames from SketchUp 2D exports, rotating the torus 2° each interval, producing 30° total rotation. (This matches the model component rotation of one spiral "tube" to the next.)

                        I kept the SketchUp viewpoint constant, and rotated the torus, to avoid any camera positioning problems. I could have established 15 camera locations, to produce 15 scenes, but the way I did it was quicker. (Creating 15 camera/scene postions, however, does have the advantage that they can be saved in the model file, for subsequent use.)

                        I assembled the 15 frames into a GIF animation, using JASC "Animation Shop," which I bought (cheap) over ten years ago. It's my understanding that COREL bought-out JASC. The older "Animation Shop" (vs 3) can be downloaded from several online sites, or you can use one of the MANY other freeware GIF animators, available online.

                        [NOTE: I used the same technique to create my avatar.]

                        -Taff

                        "Information is not knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

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                        • S Offline
                          Simon B
                          last edited by

                          Well, it works for me.

                          More inspiration here

                          😉

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                          • ArcA Offline
                            Arc
                            last edited by

                            Play with tours and component stringer.
                            tours11.jpg
                            tours12.jpg

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                            • simon le bonS Offline
                              simon le bon
                              last edited by

                              Can I believe it !!! another Simon B!? 😎 + 😎 = 😆

                              Hi Arc ( you have found the link of "your" animated picture in this thread I guess 😉 ) You like to play with Component Stringer; me too. 👍 nice result.

                              I have made my own try with animation on this spiral cone . Dear Taff I don't know why I don't reach the smoothness of yours ~~

                              http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/generalPicts/SC04_cropped.gif

                              http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/generalPicts/SC04_cropped.gif

                              http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/generalPicts/SC04_cropped.gif

                              *simon

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                              • TaffGochT Offline
                                TaffGoch
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                                @simon le bon said:

                                "...Taff I don't know why I don't reach the smoothness of yours..."

                                Simon,

                                The first and last frame appear to be the same, which looks like a pause, or stutter, in the animation. I deleted the last frame, and it's somewhat better:

                                Edited
                                However, now there's a slight "jump" in the animation. 😕 I can only guess that there must have been a variation in the degree-of-rotation for one of the frames.

                                -Taff

                                "Information is not knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

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                                • simon le bonS Offline
                                  simon le bon
                                  last edited by

                                  Hi Taff,
                                  Thank you to watch and dissect 😉

                                  I thought the problem was coming from a visual bip due to the duplication of the loop..
                                  In fact I had made mistakes. It is very difficult for me to maintain 15 times the same process. My mind goes away;.

                                  To make it easy and unmistaken, this time, I had rotated copied the SpiralCone 2°x14 (the 15th is the same than the first)
                                  and had placed each copy in its own layer ( 01;02;etc..) and had make them visible one by one.

                                  http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/generalPicts/SpiralCone5.gif

                                  This time it seems working good 😮

                                  ++simon

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                                  • BoxB Offline
                                    Box
                                    last edited by

                                    Just to help possibly simplify the animations for you.
                                    Use scenes, create one scene at front one scene at back( or side to side, whichever works best for you) and export the animation as JPGs.
                                    You can specify how many Frames per second in the export and resolution then combine in the gif program of your choice.

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                                    • simon le bonS Offline
                                      simon le bon
                                      last edited by

                                      very easy indeed dear Box

                                      Here is my "BoxCube" 😉 made in a minute with 41 pics 320X240 = 283 Ko

                                      http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/generalPicts/BoxCube.gif

                                      ++simon

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                                      • BoxB Offline
                                        Box
                                        last edited by

                                        Happy to help.
                                        You can use this method for any number of scenes, so the cube can roll over or zoom in and out or even fly off the screen.
                                        And reducing the number of colours in the gif will bring the file size down, I make a lot of animated avatars for people on another site and the file limit there 19.5 kb, so you learn to get everything out of each pixel.

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                                        • TaffGochT Offline
                                          TaffGoch
                                          last edited by

                                          I found, online, this drawing from an old book...

                                          3knot.png
                                          ...and wanted to produce the center "coil" in SketchUp. After trial-and-error with the torus "grid" spacing, I finally was able to model (and render) this:

                                          Torus3.jpg
                                          -Taff


                                          Model available in the Google 3D Warehouse:
                                          http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=c7113517b4de5d982137e32e8ebf2b1

                                          http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/download?mid=c7113517b4de5d982137e32e8ebf2b1&rtyp=lt&ctyp=other&ts=1281117295000

                                          "Information is not knowledge." -- Albert Einstein

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                                          • simon le bonS Offline
                                            simon le bon
                                            last edited by

                                            Dear Taff,

                                            Seems to be an interesting variation of our exercise.
                                            I'm actually a bit too much out of the game to participate actively. You know, holidays, taking some rest, and big business with my garden etc..

                                            first dissection 😉 :

                                            http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/ParisianFence032_th.jpg


                                            http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/Spendauballet/SketchUp/ParisianFence033_th.jpg

                                            friendly, simon

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