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  • R Offline
    rv1974
    last edited by 14 Apr 2017, 13:39

    I'll buy X10 if it works on curved surface.
    P.S. Any plans for PB refreshing?

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      Whaat
      last edited by 17 Apr 2017, 15:34

      @pixero said:

      A question.
      If I use this plugin in a model and someone that doesn't have this opens the model and moves a window. What happens?

      The window will move but the hole created from Double-Cut will not move unless you 'unlock' it with the Right-click context menu and move it manually with the SU move tool.

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        Whaat
        last edited by 17 Apr 2017, 15:49

        @rv1974 said:

        I'll buy X10 if it works on curved surface.
        P.S. Any plans for PB refreshing?

        Sorry, the tool is not designed for curved surfaces. Basically, the tool extends the existing functionality of SketchUp's cutting components. Since SketchUp's cutting components don't work on curved surfaces, DC won't work either.

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          brettsichellodesign
          last edited by 18 Apr 2017, 18:30

          I'm having some trouble with this plugin. Please see attached video. My door component doesn't seem to want to cut through the wall.

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            Whaat
            last edited by 18 Apr 2017, 18:59

            The axis of your door needs to be set correctly. You also need to make sure your component has a closed loop of edges on the same plane as the x-y plane of your component. Check out this tutorial on creating cutting components.

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            SketchUp: Creating Cutting Components

            As my first How To post, here is a method of creating a component that cuts through a surface. Here are a few things to keep in mind Although you can activate the cutting feature on an existing component, it can become…

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              utiler
              last edited by 18 Apr 2017, 23:09

              Cool plugin, Dale!! Something that has been on the request list for soooo.... long!!

              Just thought I'd make everyone aware that are using Skalp that it won't cut around openings as the standard SU section cut tool does. Not sure why; I'll ask the question of the Skalp team and see what they say.


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                srx
                last edited by 19 Apr 2017, 07:16

                This is because the wall is not a solid. Faces on the side belongs to window group I guess.

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                  utiler
                  last edited by 20 Apr 2017, 01:24

                  Whether its a solid or not surely the skalp tool should be able to work similar to the SU native tool??

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                    srx
                    last edited by 20 Apr 2017, 06:30

                    @utiler said:

                    Whether its a solid or not surely the skalp tool should be able to work similar to the SU native tool??

                    SU native tool doesn't make faces inside the wall.

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                      JQL
                      last edited by 20 Apr 2017, 09:04

                      The problem is related with hole cutting components.

                      They are not creating new geometry as they are not actually cutting away the face, they're just displaying it differently... actually they are hiding it. But the face is still there.

                      Sectioncut face doesn't usually draw the face on the section but draws the edges of the faces that have been cut by hole cutting components.

                      This requires some manual cleaning on Section cut face side, which is usually not that hard to do. For folks using skalp, it might ruin the workflow... I don't use it.

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                        facer
                        last edited by 21 Apr 2017, 01:45

                        Whaat,
                        Could you please post your instruction gif files at 1/2 the speed.
                        This will make it easier to follow each step.

                        Regards,
                        Ray

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                          minimalex
                          last edited by 1 Jun 2017, 20:35

                          @jql said:

                          ...it might ruin the workflow... I don't use it.

                          Oh no! I was so excited that double cut was going to save me huge amounts of time, and now I have to pick whether I am more invested in double-cut or Skalp. Super bummed about this.

                          Anyone think this has a chance of changing ever?

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                            JQL
                            last edited by 1 Jun 2017, 22:21

                            @minimalex said:

                            Anyone think this has a chance of changing ever?

                            I see two ways:

                            • Either Trimble exposes something in their API for section plugins to aknowledge the openning as true geometry and not a hidden face.
                            • Or Skalp finds a workaround for that. Skalp is, itself a plugin built on incredibly well thought workarounds so they might find a way if you ask them.

                            The good news is that there are other plugins that suffered from this issue in the past and solved it.

                            The first one I noticed was Fredotools Report on Area. If you would report on a wall with 2x2m it would report 4m2. If you'd glue a holecutting component to it, it would still report the 4m2 even if the window should have subtracted it's area from the 4m2. Fredo solved it at the time when I reported. I don't know how he did it, of course.

                            Blendup was exporting faces with holecutting components without holes. After reporting the "bug" the fix was to explode the components, export the model, undo the explosion. It works very fast and everything looks as it was before.

                            Probably there are many more examples that I'm not aware of.

                            I don't use skalp, but if you report that to the developers probably they will take a look.

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                              halroach
                              last edited by 29 Jun 2017, 08:03

                              Thanks Dale for a great plugin!
                              Purchased as soon as I saw it was out.

                              An issue I'm having, is when placing a cutting door on an inside wall. I place it of course on the very bottom of the wall. What happens is that there is Z-fighting/Overlapping faces between three different elements:
                              1. The bottom face of the wall.
                              2. The newly generated double-cut reveals geometry.
                              3. The Flooring component.

                              Easiest is to hide the bottom face of the wall, but then there is still Z-fighting between the the double-cut reveals and the flooring.

                              Deleting faces from the flooring is not an option.
                              Deleting/hiding the reveals is possible, but it's very cumbersome at the moment - unlocking the reveals element, finding the face and deleting/hiding. If the component is then moved, have to redo this procedure again because the reveals are regenerated. This makes it very difficult for a dynamic design process.

                              Would it be possible to have an option for hiding the bottom reveal? And an option for hiding all the reveals all together?
                              (With some components the reveals are already part of the cutting component)

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                                Whaat
                                last edited by 29 Jun 2017, 14:24

                                Thanks for your input, halroach.

                                Yes, this is a known issue. We hope to be able to improve it in the future. The recommended workflow is to use the Double-cut explode locked groups option (right-click menu) after you have finalized the position of your door. Then, you can easily erase the un-wanted faces at the base of the door.

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                                  rv1974
                                  last edited by 29 Jun 2017, 19:13

                                  I had to disable this tool because itit tends to connect to opposite facade of the bldng (I work wich thin walls). Some kind of depth value must be added.

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                                    pbacot
                                    last edited by 29 Jun 2017, 19:24

                                    @rv1974 said:

                                    I had to disable this tool because itit tends to connect to opposite facade of the bldng (I work wich thin walls). Some kind of depth value must be added.

                                    What do you mean, you work with thin walls?

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                                      juju
                                      last edited by 30 Jun 2017, 06:12

                                      rv1974 probably only models the outer shell, not wall thicknesses, etc.

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                                        rv1974
                                        last edited by 30 Jun 2017, 08:24

                                        yep, a I need this tool locally (say for arcades), not as general treatment.

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                                          utiler
                                          last edited by 2 Jul 2017, 22:22

                                          @whaat said:

                                          Thanks for your input, halroach.

                                          Yes, this is a known issue. We hope to be able to improve it in the future. The recommended workflow is to use the Double-cut explode locked groups option (right-click menu) after you have finalized the position of your door. Then, you can easily erase the un-wanted faces at the base of the door.

                                          Yes this has always been an issue with components cutting a solid at the edge... in this case a sill.

                                          I've thought for ages that any any attempt at solving the puzzle of cutting through walls [ie solids] would be done with .... eh, solid tools. The subtract tool removes the section of wall to make the opening and when the opening is removed the subtract tool is reversed.

                                          I am no programmer so wouldn't know if that can even be done but it just seems logical to me.

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