Jumpers
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You can mention that other program Jeff... lol
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@krisidious said:
You can mention that other program Jeff... lol
ha.. i feel i mention a little too much lately.. but it's rhino.
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If sketchup can't do something, I think it's perfectly reasonable to tell people what will. Especially if they are needing something done.
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@jeff hammond said:
here's a color coded look at a portion of it.. (you can also adjust where the seams are so the vertical seam isn't slicing through another hole as shown here etc.. i just did a quick&dirty version for sake of example)
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when you really do it, there are labels placed on each seam and each corresponding piece which sews together at that point.. if i show that from a wide view, it looks too cluttered.. a small example of that:
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but i think that's getting too far ahead.. you should first try just drawing ,say, the house pictured in your top post.. people here will help you along with that part.. once you get an ok grasp at basic modeling in sketchup, then slice it up
have you tried drawing the house already? did you finish it or are you getting stuck in any certain part?
[edit] or- are you not super interested in learning sketchup and more interested in hiring someone to do the drawings? or somewhere in the middle?
Thanks Jeff, that makes a lot more sense now. I have one of these bounce houses already, and one thing I noticed, is that that the vertical pillars are made out of two pieces as opposed to one which you show. I know the guy who used to make these and I can ask him why it's two pieces instead of one.
I haven't began drawing the house. I'm still learning what each tool does in sketchup. Most video tutorials I watch about sketchup are about architectural modeling. Of course, I prefer to do the work in sketchup myself since I have other bounce houses and modeling each one is going to be an ongoing project. Besides, having someone else do it for me means extra expense I may not be able to afford, but I'm open for bids
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@jeff hammond said:
@krisidious said:
You can mention that other program Jeff... lol
ha.. i feel i mention a little too much lately.. but it's rhino.
But it appears that Rhino is a windoze based program and a super expensive at that. I'm not a windoze user. Used to be, but recovered a long time ago
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I didn't say it was sketchup... But, you haven't fully recovered from being overcharged if you're using a Mac.
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As nice as Jeff's flattened rhino is I think it might be a little overkill for what you want. Or more to the point, the sizes you are working with are too large for simple printout of templates.
From what I see and with no bouncy castle experience, it would appear that the majority of the the sections would be made from rectangles and cylinders. So measurements would be enough to work from for the most part. And sketchup will give you all those diameters and lengths etc easily.
When you have something a bit odd, like the top cone of the turret you could use the plugin "flattery" to flatten cone to get a template shape. So design to your hearts content using blocks and tubes and only a few sections would require more than simple measurements. The more fancy your design becomes the more you need to work out how to flatten the shapes to get the templates needed.This is a very quick sketch, simple shapes that when inflated will become your rounded jumpy thing thing and a curtain wall and a turret that can be repeated to form the four walls, and I have used flattery to flatten the second turret top.
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@jumpersrfun said:
But it appears that Rhino is a windoze based program and a super expensive at that. I'm not a windoze user. Used to be, but recovered a long time ago
i haven't used windows in.. ever
it's in beta on mac.. has been for a few years now.. and it's free to use.
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This all in your "free" rhino...hmmm do they have people doing architecture in Rhino?
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You have to add the seams to the basic shapes--in case you haven't figured that out yet.
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@pbacot said:
This all in your "free" rhino...hmmm do they have people doing architecture in Rhino?
yeah, it's pretty popular in architect world.. that's what i personally use it for but i wouldn't say I'm doing 'standard' architecture..
kinda the neat thing about rhino is that it started out as an industrial design tool.. so it's built around having incredible accuracy and smooth surfaces at crazy small tolerances so when you go in there with architecture sized objects, it easily handles anything you throw at it..
mcneel is actively adopting the software to architecture specific stuff now though.. there are layouts which happen inside the app itself (though this hasn't been implemented on mac yet).. there are blocks (like su components).. built in rendering/texturing is improving.. etc.. the layer handling is great for architecture too (imo) since you can directly draw on layers.. i barely use layers in sketchup (well, i use them but only for what they're designed for- vis control).. i completely depend on them in rhino as a drawing tool.
in my case, there were things i needed which sketchup couldn't do.. that's why i sought out other software as a supplement but in my case, it actually became a replacement.. if sketchup can already do what you need though and you already know how to do it in sketchup, i don't think rhino is so 'perfect' as switch over to it.. unless maybe you also like cad software from a hobby pov instead of strictly work related.. in which case, it can be pretty fun to use.
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Boy, looks like I'm gonna have my work cut out for me! So here's a company website (link below) that I want to buy a computerized pattern cutter from in the future once I have the money and a big enough space. Here, they open a whole new can of worms by mentioning other 3D software such as Vectorworks, TouchCAD, AutoCAD, etc., lol. They also talk about a seam allowance plugin for Vectorworks. I have Vectorworks as well and I emailed them about the plugin, but is there such a plugin for sketchup?
Then they talk about how I can use "Optitex to design 2D patterns, and using Runways very accurate 3D simulation, patterns are joined and inflated in the computer." I am really confused now.
But most importantly, one issue which I find most disheartening is that hey emailed me a pdf document (uploaded here) in which they mention that "many of the shapes will look quite different when they are inflated." This is really frustrating. Anyone used Optitex to "inflate," as they say the the joined patterns?
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(aeronaut.org)
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I wouldn't worry much about the seams or the difference in reality. I think you're already expecting the result they are legaleezing. Things are not going to be as sharp, turns will not be as abrupt, straight sections are going to sag. I think you're probably already expecting that. While I'm not sure how these are sewed together, I'm sure a simple offset of the pattern will allow for the meeting point.
I think you're going to have to feel your way through a bit to gain that experience of what to do to get what you want. Start out with a few parts and make them then you'll get your groove on so to speak.
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I do make patterns for fabrics [ occasionally ], and have attempted to do it in SU, but...
it's not as simple as adding seam allowances, as much as I like using it, there are limitation...That link is great,
Your [ potential ] supplier is the first mac [first] hardware/software supplier for this scale of things I've come across that was affordable for my usage... give them a call, go have a chat...
I'm going to look into a plugin to/from the nesting program/SU and TouchCAD/SU...
that would be my ideal scenario...
john
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Alright well, if anyone's willing to take on this project, please let me know here, or message me. I really don't have time to do this myself. Thanks!
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@jumpersrfun said:
Alright well, if anyone's willing to take on this project, please let me know here, or message me. I really don't have time to do this myself. Thanks!
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@jumpersfun, don't be too hard on youself. There's quite some information here in this thread to get you going. And here is a link to some ideas to inspire you on new designs or whatever. Lots of success.
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So here's what I came up with so far in the last two days of poking around in sketchup. So far so good, except, I don't know how to create the cones on top of the pillars. Also, I'm stuck on the side of the square that measures 174", here, the top banners are 120" but they don't fit exactly between the pillars. There's a visible space between the pilar and the edge of the banner. I may have moved the pillars on that side of the square by accident because they measure 121-5/8". I don't know which pillar though. I may have even reduced the diameter of the pillar, I have no clue. How can I move the pillars back where it measures 120"? Please help!
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You will learn to use components for parts and groups of parts so that you don't have two or more entities that are supposed to be identical but you've drawn differently. You will mirror the components by scaling by a factor of -1 in the appropriate directions. Then work inside one will reflect in the other.
For one part of your project I would make a component out of each of the two side panels (actually make one and mirror it). This way the four rectangles, their inner alignment and size can be worked on separately from the rest of the model and controlled. You shouldn't have to be comparing the length of two elements that are essentially the same. These side panels are misaligned in their parts. Straighten that out first so setting between the columns is simple. When you get further along you can consider making a component of a side that includes the columns and side panel(and mirroring that) . Therefore they CAN"T be different.
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Once you make a group or component out of selected geometry you can lock it. To avoid making changes to it inadvertently. Easy to continue modeling over it and use it as reference.
Think of creating the base cushion first, including the four centerpoints for the pillars. Group it and lock the group. (you can Always unlock it for some extra changes later on)
Limit the use of guides to what is stricktly necessary. Even delete them when done.
In cases like this you need to accurately draw the circles with the center and the second clicked point "on axis", color will tell you when on axis. Your pillars are all slightly rotated off axes. Ideal for making mistakes later on.
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Sketchup freezes and I get the spinning beach ball after I go to the Windows menu, search for component (netting for windows), and when I try to place the netting, that's when it freezes. Is anyone else having this issue?
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