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    pbacot
    last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 16:52

    These are simple blocks. Shellify might do it Also you could scale the building making a smaller version inside. Reverse the faces. You will have to push in projections that still sit outside after scaling.

    How do you intend to print? Is the creation of walls just to make it empty inside (not visible in the end product?) the the second procedure above might work.

    Reading your second post-- if these can be solid material, then printing would fill the form you have shown.

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      Rudbeckia
      last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 16:58

      Sorry I am probably not explaining very well.

      A 3d printer will not read just a face in SU even in the faces are closed, like a cube. It does not read the cube as a solid......at least thats what i have been told.

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        kaas
        last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 16:59

        @rudbeckia said:

        ... Or is there a way for me to make them solid (so not void in middle like SU draws)

        Normally when 3d printing you are charged for the amount (cm3) of printing material you use. If you make everything massive solids it will cost you a lot.

        Making shells might be better. Just watch out the roof spans are not too large (ask the 3d printing service for their specs) or the material will need some kind of support structure to keep the roof in place.

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          Rudbeckia
          last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 17:02

          The "shells" need walls though correct? Meaning they cant just be faces?

          Im wondering if there is a quick way to make walls from a bunch of buildings that are just faces.

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            pbacot
            last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 17:05

            [quote="Rudbeckia"]Shellify seems like it might do the opposite of what I want. The problem is a 3d printer wont print just a "shell" or just faces with no thickness

            What I describe would be making inside faces spaced in from the outside. You reverse the faces on this inside group so that the space "inside the walls" is then all back faces.

            I'll attach the model. The wall thickness in this scale method are not exact. You have to adjust to your liking after.

            I don't know of a fast way myself.


            bldg 2.skp

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              Rudbeckia
              last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 17:11

              I see now what you are saying, so the bldg you attached would print on a 3d printer? Even though it is still faces not walls? Bc what you have done would be a lot faster than redrawing all the sides of the bldgs as walls

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                pbacot
                last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 17:28

                OK. As I understand, it will. I don't do 3d printing myself, but I have helped others with models to print, and it came out fine. SketchUp only has faces. However a properly made model will print when translated.

                The point about the roof span should be considered you might end up adding some columns or other mass in the center to keep it from sinking in. Probably you should pushpull it thicker than I show too (roof and floor). A prototype model would help your printer tell you what is needed.

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                  Rudbeckia
                  last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 18:13

                  thanks for the help!

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                    kaas
                    last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 18:32

                    A quick addition to my earlier comment:

                    1. you could also just offset the floorplane and pushpull it up just below the rooflevel.
                    2. if you make a group of a closed object it will automatically turn into a solid. You can only 3d print solid objects
                    3. check the specs and material of your 3d printer. it will depend the minimall thickness of the walls and roof and if you need supporting structures for the roof.
                    4. check your units. If you want to 3d print the model at some scale, the model should be scaled accordingly.
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                      pbacot
                      last edited by 12 Mar 2014, 21:36

                      @kaas said:

                      A quick addition to my earlier comment:

                      1. you could also just offset the floorplane and pushpull it up just below the rooflevel.
                      2. if you make a group of a closed object it will automatically turn into a solid. You can only 3d print solid objects
                      3. check the specs and material of your 3d printer. it will depend the minimall thickness of the walls and roof and if you need supporting structures for the roof.
                      4. check your units. If you want to 3d print the model at some scale, the model should be scaled accordingly.

                      No 1 is a good idea. Faster.

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                        cotty
                        last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 07:03

                        @pbacot said:

                        OK. As I understand, it will.

                        It's depending on the printing technology. If it's powder based for example, you need escape holes for the powder inside... for some ideas of rules see here .

                        You need to follow the design rules for the specific printer that will be used! (wall thickness, holes, ...)

                        A quick way to add thickness to the walls in this case could be the JPP plugin from Fredo, and to make it into a solid component use Solidsolver from TIG...

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                          pilou
                          last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 08:51

                          @Cotty
                          How select the faces on this video ?
                          Does the background external faces of the 2 "little boxes" are selected?
                          Have you a screenshot of the JPP toolbar regulates?

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                            cotty
                            last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 09:27

                            Does this screenshot help?


                            jpp_thicken.png

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                              pilou
                              last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 09:52

                              No ๐Ÿ˜„
                              Some explosion! ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
                              no.jpg


                              no.skp

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                                cotty
                                last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 10:16

                                I've got the same problem with your geomtry...

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                                  pilou
                                  last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 11:40

                                  I believe that your geometry works because your 2 little boxes are "penetrating" by the top inside the big one!
                                  Mine is just "pasted" without soaking even inside is effectively dug!
                                  So maybe Fred must improuve his JPP! ๐Ÿ˜„

                                  no 1.jpg

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                                    tt_su
                                    last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 11:59

                                    @rudbeckia said:

                                    A 3d printer will not read just a face in SU even in the faces are closed, like a cube. It does not read the cube as a solid......at least thats what i have been told.

                                    I've not had that problem. When you have a closed volume, in SketchUp it will say "Solid" in Entity Into then it's good to go for 3d print.

                                    This was printed from a SketchUp model:

                                    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8uzkqpEAPfA/T9sv_fQ9W1I/AAAAAAAABWs/p5dSGHFq2wQ/w716-h985-no/Peon.jpg

                                    https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103450081381233788032/albums/5754245713469640065

                                    I used iMaterialize's services.

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                                      pilou
                                      last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 12:03

                                      Poor pawn ! ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                        TIG Moderator
                                        last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 13:34

                                        The simple definition of a manifold solid - one that will successfully 3d-print when exported to a compatible file format - is a collection of 'geometry', consisting of just faces and the edges bounding those faces [within a group or a component 'container'].
                                        Every edge must bound exactly two faces - no fewer and no more.
                                        So that precludes faceless edges, or edges around holes, forming flaps/shelves etc with therefore one face only, or edges bounding internal partition faces where they would have three or more faces, or edges shared by two otherwise seemingly solid objects - like cubes meeting along one edge - where that edge is shared by four faces.
                                        It also precludes nested groups/components and any other entities like text and dims.
                                        Although construction-lines and points [aka guides] within a collection do not compromise its solidity, these are best avoided when sending on for 3d-printing etc...

                                        TIG

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                                          arail1
                                          last edited by 13 Mar 2014, 14:55

                                          You should consider downloading a demo version of Rhino and running the Shell command. I'm assuming you're just printing the outside volume of these buildings, therefore you don't need floors. Shell will do what I think you're looking for.

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