SketchUp 2013 ;)
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@numerobis said:
This is a tiny service release not more. If the big new features are not ready now why release a full number update at all now? To make money?
Because many customers would probably be more annoyed if they had to wait until 2014 for the first true Trimble release? I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the developers. Releasing a lacklustre version now is probably better than a late 2013 release or no update at all this year.
Also, it wouldn't surprise me if we were to see a major maintenance release towards the end of the year (when the real improvements are ready
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@rich o brien said:
Doesn't the blog tell you LayOut has a 40% speed improvement and another level of zoom?
I haven't read it.
What I typical measure in a new release is mesh selection speeds. V7.1 is still the fastest when making selections. V2013 is slower than v8.
File import speeds are the same and still incredibly slow.
Mesh generation is faster. Things like Artisan and CurviLoft are faster.
Toolbar fixing is a big deal but the padding around the toolbars is larger so real estate is chewed up a bit.
Did you not run the trial?
As I said, if there are improvements to SketchUp (I'm not using Layout) why don't they tell us?
Why do we have to test and guess what has been improved?
Don't they know that many users will have to go to their boss and ask to buy a new version and that we need to have solid arguments to why the upgrade is necessary?
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@pixero said:
As I said, if there are improvements to SketchUp (I'm not using Layout) why don't they tell us?
Why do we have to test and guess what has been improved?
Don't they know that many users will have to go to their boss and ask to buy a new version and that we need to have solid arguments to why the upgrade is necessary?
I'm not saying I'm disapointed or anything, I just want some facts (about SketchUp fixes) I can tell my boss or I will not be allowed to buy the new version.Here... I think this is what you're looking for.
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Thanks for the link. Now let's see if it's good enough for my boss...
I would have liked if they had detailed this a bit more though:
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@krisidious said:
Plugins do seem to execute faster, like profile builder builds detailed crowns much faster now.
A question for you: when you select a profile, you have a preview image visible? I was missing mine during a test run.
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@hieru said:
Because many customers would probably be more annoyed if they had to wait until 2014 for the first true Trimble release? I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation for the developers. Releasing a lacklustre version now is probably better than a late 2013 release or no update at all this year.
Also, it wouldn't surprise me if we were to see a major maintenance release towards the end of the year (when the real improvements are ready
).You are kidding, right? Why should i be less annoyed getting this useless update now?
If i don't have anything to show i can't release an update. Why should i buy this update? Only because Trimble means i should do it now? To get a new Trimble folder on my ssd instead of the google one? -
@archheni said:
What exactly has been improved in terms of performance? How does it effect the workflow? Do plugins get executed faster now? Does SU still crashes or freezes when running out of memory?
Actually, there are indications that plugins execute faster. Though I'm not sure what internal change it's related to. But some early profiling show in some cases show improvement. I plan to run some comparison tests soon.
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The splats when you applied materials with certain render apps installed is gone. I suffered from this with Indigo at times
View > Toolbars is gone and replaced with an alphabetically sorted dialog to toggle toolbars on and off
The SDK for devs is rewritten
Getting started toolbar has changed along with the order of icons in the Camera Tools and Large Toolset
New cursors with tooltips and description on hover
New material libraries Geometric Tiles, Material symbols and Tonal Patterns
Networked startup times improved
HD animation export
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@kaas said:
@krisidious said:
Plugins do seem to execute faster, like profile builder builds detailed crowns much faster now.
A question for you: when you select a profile, you have a preview image visible? I was missing mine during a test run.
you need to replace a java file in your installation. more info here.
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Well, money speaks. If you don't feel SU2013 is worth it you can hold on until the next release.
I personally find the EW alone is worth it. I've nver been much of Layout user - but I do appreciate the changes.
But as always with these things - mileage will vary.
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@krisidious said:
you need to replace a java file in your installation. more info here.
Thanks, it worked.
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@mike lucey said:
I've been reading / following all the posts made on this topic and feel that most of the steam has now blown off. Regardless of what one thinks or doesn't think about SU 2013, I feel there is no excuse for your, what appears to me, personal attack on John Bacus.
Long post and certainly alot to digest so let me reciprocate.
First off, let my say clearly I left here after those last posts and never came back until 2013 was released... and I only came back to make it absolutely crystal clear that this release was deficient. You can check the forum logs if you like to verify this as fact.
John Bacus is the head -- ultimately he is the one responsible for everything that the SketchUp team does or does not do do... when things go well he deserved credit, when things go wrong he deserves blame.
When a company goes down the tubes it is expected that a CEO gets fired or steps down -- this is no different. I'm sure Bacus is a very nice guy with alot of really endearing qualities -- but he has proven an incompetent leader of the SketchUp team at the very least.
There are alot of people here with ulterior motives to stay on his good side, it is of personal and professional benefit to them that he, being the man in power, see them as "on his side". I have no such limitation -- so I am free, in all the ways you are not, to voice my 100% honest opinions. I actually expected to be banned by now... I can't imagine Bacus is happy about some guy on the forums calling, repeated and clearly, for his head
I've always been 100% for forcing users to move to Pro -- check the posts and verify the facts. But there is a right way and a wrong way to do this. The right way is to make the upgrade to Pro so compelling that users cannot resists opening their wallets. This is done by adding actual features and really honoring the desires of the users base. The wrong way is what we got -- judge for yourself.
I'm not opposed to spending real money on my applications, provided they are worthwhile -- SketchUp is not and has not been worthwhile for a long time now. Are there perfect alternatives? Not really, but those alternatives will never have the chance to fully materialize as long as people keep throwing good money after bad towards SketchUp.
To be perfectly blunt I would have rather see SketchUp die at this point and have the market forced to move onto alternatives now, rather than wait years only to have the process be that much harder in the long run. Not a popular sentiment here, I know -- but I'm not here to win any friends, and I don't care a whit if I make enemies. However I always hope against hope that I will become such an foul irritant, and Bacus will be so put out, that he will actually do something productive with SketchUp just to shut me up.
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No problem... Now if someone will just fix my Jim's toolbar I'll be back to 100%
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my 2cts after using SketchUp 2013 for a very short time.
likes:
- SU opens and closes really quick
dislikes:
- SU doesn't redraw the 3d window (when toggling to another application and back) on my old (GMA 965 gfx) laptop that I use for presentations only.
- new icons
no double side bar anymore-> just pick your toolbars and make a double row yourselfseveral plugins that don't work 100% out of the box (the selection toys toolbar wont display, the preview window of profile builder doesn't work - have to test more)-> manually installing latest version of selection toys did the trick, just had to install an updated javascript file to make ProfileBuilder work 100% again- why do I have to type in my Google account name + password to be able to use the extension warehouse??
suggestions:
- hatches are fine but I prefer them in Sketchup - real lines that can be exported to third party programs. I prefer to make a section in SU, add hatches and use both in LO several times for: 1) section, 2) several details - If I would use the hatches in LO, I would have to do them separately - is not going to happen for me.
also:
- i didn't notice a speed increase in my LO files.
early conclusion:
at the moment I see no reason to switch to SU 2013. I will keep an eye on the forum to see if I have to reconsiderI have to test more to see if updating makes sense.edit: updated some fixes
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Why don't you use Twitter or G+ or Facebook to voice your opinions?
It is very easy these to target SketchUp to vent frustrations.
You could actually make all these remarks in the SketchUp G+ community page to get John's attention. He hasn't visited here since March and since he is the Mod over there you probably have a better chance getting a response.
You can see who visits here...some are even lurking now....
http://sketchucation.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=7
SU are probably not paying a blind bit of notice to what you are saying. That doesn't mean what you are saying is right or wrong. For me, I see you've posted, I know what's coming before I read it. I have a chuckle and I move on.
The only thing that irks me in your posts is that you refer to someone by their surname. For some reason that really pisses me off?
But, as always, I encourage to continue with your crusade for a better SU as I'll benefit too. I just think you are currently you are playing a gig to no audience.
I think I said this to you before. You've outgrown the product. You'll gain an extra $95 they'll lose $95. The universe will remain balanced and we'll live to see v2014.
You never know, Trimble might move John up the monkey tree to concentrate on bigger things that would mean Mayor Mike then gets the reigns since SCF owns 50% of Trimble.
Now I've a Bilderberg meeting to attend.....
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@frederik said:
You obviously don't like the smell here, so I fail to understand why you're still here...
@jason_maranto said:
However I always hope against hope that I will become such an foul irritant, and Bacus will be so put out, that he will actually do something productive with SketchUp just to shut me up.
There is your answer -- otherwise I have no real purpose here... I hope I am irritating Bacus as much as I am irritating you.
This is the reason I turned down the "Top SketchUcator" position when I was offered it last year -- if I were in a position of representing SketchUcation I would not feel free to be this honest. But since I represent nobody but myself I can act in whatever suits my ends... you may try to work within the system for change, I am trying to apply external pressure.
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@rich o brien said:
The only thing that irks me in your posts is that you refer to someone by their surname. For some reason that really pisses me off?
I'm not sure how it is over there, but John is an incredibly common first name here -- so in order to make it clear who I am targeting I use his surname.
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@jason_maranto said:
First off, let my say clearly I left here after those last posts and never came back until 2013 was released... and I only came back to make it absolutely crystal clear that this release was deficient...
Why don't you then just jump off...?
@jason_maranto said:
John Bacus is the head -- ultimately he is the one responsible for everything that the SketchUp team does or does not do do... when things go well he deserved credit, when things go wrong he deserves blame.
Although he's the head, he's not the CEO of SketchUp and/or Trimble...
Actually he's the Product Management Director... I'm not even sure if he's the top guy of the SU Team...
Another fact... He's not even a part of the Trimble Executive Team - (as far as I know and are able to see)...It's the Executive Team of Trimble who initiate the strategies and John Bacus (JB) is the person responsible for implementing it within his team...
Yes, the Executive Team will ask for his advice now and then, but ultimately they're the ones who are setting the strategy forth...If JB doesn't like the strategy set forth, he's likely to step down by himself...
If JB fails to implement the strategy, he will be made redundant...You're making assumptions and you're comparing apples with water melons...
@jason_maranto said:
I actually expected to be banned by now...
You can ban yourself and remain staying away from here...
You obviously don't like the smell here, so I fail to understand why you're still here...@jason_maranto said:
I'm not opposed to spending real money on my applications, provided they are worthwhile -- SketchUp is not and has not been worthwhile for a long time now.
This is your personal opinion, I respect that, but please don't make your opinion sound like it's everybody feel...
Obviously SU isn't something for your toolbox anymore, so please go ahead and find another application...
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This thread is becoming increasingly sour...
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