SketchUp 2013 ;)

Krisidious

I'm defensive? I'm not the one that is being rude and insulting. soooo... Who is defensive?

jeff hammond

@thomthom said:

@archheni said:

Every restart will wipe out all non-native plugins and tools..

?
What's being wiped out?

..All non-native plugins on the customized toolbar.

that's a long standing bug(?) on mac..
you have to open another new window upon relaunch for the ruby icons to appear.

that's one of the first things I checked in su2013 and unfortunately, nothing has changed I'm this dept.

(edit) nvmnd.. I didn't read the entire thread prior to responding.. I see there's more talk about this after the post I quoted

jason_maranto

@krisidious said:

"Dynamic Roof, Doors, Windows,"

I see nothing about any of that. all I see is some automatic stairs of which spiral is not included.

Again I refer to the documentation http://www.formz.com/manuals/formz7/!SSL!/WebHelp/formz7.php

Look under specialty tools and you will see spiral staircases.

Really, how long are you going to keep putting your foot in your mouth? I'm starting to feel like a bully here...

Best,
Jason.

DesertRaven

This is what I'm going to do:

Wait and see if I can skip this release and if I can still upgrade to 2014 for the same 95 bucks.

If not I'll switch over to "Form Z" for good.
SU has no 64 bit support, no true curves, frankly no power under the hood for today's work flow. No real circles and arches; No mapping for textures. Layout is a Joke.

I'm not wasting even 95 bucks for nothing. Nice try Trimble. Unless there is another release under 2013 that will be more convincing. But I won't hold my breath.

ely862me

wow

Krisidious

"SU has no 64 bit support, no true curves, frankly no power under the hood for today's work flow. No real circles and arches; No mapping for textures."

I don't know about the 64 bit argument... I'm not "informed" enough. But Thom says we really have no need of it. And I trust his judgment. The render crowd has different ideas I think.

As for the no real circles you're right there. I liked Autocad's form of using arc and circle smoothness up to 20,000. But I actually use curved walls in my designs and they are actually built out of straight lines turned... So I kind of like the way curves are already. I can set a number of segments and then keep the wall realistic for planning.

Krisidious

Well you're the one arguing that it's worth $1000.00 So I just want to know... It does have spiral stairs although, I can't explain it they just looks strange and simplistic. it does have options for one railing. But it builds all the stairs improperly as far as architectural details go. It seems to be making solids. Frankly, I still don't see anything. the roofing is quite rudimentary, looks to be solids. with not much option for detail, none of the plethora of options I have with Vali Architect Tools. None of the Tons of tools in 1001bit Pro. I see nothing that excites me and especially nothing that makes me want to spend $1000.00 and learn a new program.

So will we see you visit the SU 2014 Wish list to tell us what is missing that is so crucial?

jason_maranto

@krisidious said:

I see nothing that excites me and especially nothing that makes me want to spend $1000.00 and learn a new program.

So will we see you visit the SU 2014 Wish list to tell us what is missing that is so crucial?

Well, that falls under the heading of "your mileage may vary" -- the tools are there, and of course they are not going to be as comprehensive as a dedicated 3rd party solution. I don't see solids as being a bad thing, but you do... so we will just have to disagree.

As for SketchUp wish lists, I wasted my time with this while I was teaching tutorial videos for SketchUp 7 and 8... I have no more energy or time to waste with Bacus.

I'm here mostly because I have had a presence here for a while and, while I don't like the way the program has developed, I do value the community that sprang up around it. If there is any true asset that SketchUp has that cannot be matched it is that -- however they are endangering that as well now.

Best,
Jason.

d12dozr

Will the new "Extensions Warehouse" notify you when there is a plugin update available?

jeff hammond

@krisidious said:

@jason_maranto said:

Other options worth noting are Rhino, MoI3D and Blender...

You're comparing Sketchup to things it was never supposed to be and whatsmore those things cannot build a set of construction documents for a structure. For pure modelers that are only interested in making games, movies or renders and especially organics then those programs are great, for designing, building in 3D and then documenting for construction they can't compete.

-or-

@krisidious said:

I'm shallow? So then why are you still here? And I take you have no answers for those questions and I would like to see these architectural plugins that they have built in. Like making roofs, making driveways with curbs, doing my framing and such.

rhino is pretty robust natively (moreso than su/layout combined) as far as 2D stuff goes:
http://www.rhino3d.com/new/drafting

combined with a plugin such as VisualArq and you'd be set
http://www.visualarq.com

.

AdamB

Just to lighten the mood a tad, don't make the mistake I did and google for "Rhino Extensions" .

Definitely NSFW!

Anton_S

I love Sketchup 2013

valerostudio

I was one of the early private beta testers for V-Ray and I can tell you now that if you use V-Ray, then you will want this new release. There is a nasty bug in SU8 M5 that would cause Bugsplats left and right that was related to SKM materials. Just about 60% of my materials in my libraries would crash SU. This is no longer an issue in this release. That alone, will force me to upgrade but I do agree that this is a very weak release and was quickly bummed out with it. I really miss being able to have toolbars stack in double widths on the sidebar. I have worked this way for 7 years and now I need to get used to this new system with single columns. Ugh.

scottlininger

@d12dozr said:

Will the new "Extensions Warehouse" notify you when there is a plugin update available?

Yes.

When you start SketchUp, you'll see a yellow "reload" icon on the Extension Warehouse toolbar if there are fresh versions. Then your "My Extensions" page will have update buttons for the new ones.

Hopefully, this'll make it much easier for developers to push out improvements.

And thanks to everyone on this thread for your feedback. We are definitely listening.

valerostudio

@jga said:

I've just loaded SKUP 2013 to a Win7 64 bit PC & still can't get the file image previews to work in Windows Explorer - can anyone else get theirs to view the files?
Bring back WinXP & SKUP 7.1!

Get yourself Mystic Thumbs. It will change your life. Now there's an upgrade worth buying into. http://mysticcoder.net/mysticthumbs.html

notareal

@krisidious said:

@wyatt said:

@chiefwoodworker said:

@wyatt said:

I haven't seen any discussion regarding the cost to skip 2013 and upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2014. Will it be $95 or would one have to buy another full $590 license to skip a release cycle?

The upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2013 is $95 plus state tax.

Sorry, but that wasn't my question. I want to know what to expect to pay if I skip 2013 and go directly from 8 to 2014. Would I pay an upgrade fee or whole new license fee?

$590.00 US

That is actually not clear, for what I seen at http://help.sketchup.com/en/article/3000020

they state

@unknownuser said:

...If you’re upgrading from an older version of Pro to SketchUp Pro 2013, you can upgrade your single-user license for $95 by visiting our online Upgrade Wizard.
and then later

@unknownuser said:

...What if my upgrade, maintenance, and support program expires? [highlight=#80ff00:2onema9p](my note: I understand that this only applies when you have got your into SU 2013 and later "update program")[/highlight:2onema9p]

It’s important to note that your SketchUp Pro license will always work for the version of Pro that you paid for. SketchUp Pro licenses will not stop working when your upgrade, maintenance, and support program expires. For example, if you purchased a new license for SketchUp Pro 2013 on June 1st, 2013, you would get a perpetual Pro 2013 license that would not expire. You would also get upgrades, maintenance, and support until May 31st, 2014 (i.e. one year after the purchase).

To continually get the annual SketchUp Pro upgrades, maintenance, and support, year after year, you will need to renew the program again for $95* per year. Don't worry, we'll let you know when you're nearing the end of your program so that you have time to renew if you choose to do so.

I might be wrong, but I understand that they actually don't state anything about if it's possible to update SU8 later to SU2014/2015/etc as SU 8 and earlier do not have this annual SketchUp Pro upgrades -program that can expire. Confusing - yes.

Chiefwoodworker

@valerostudio said:

I really miss being able to have toolbars stack in double widths on the sidebar. I have worked this way for 7 years and now I need to get used to this new system with single columns. Ugh.

The work around it to create two custom toolbars. Put half of your icons in one and the other half in the other. Then place them both on the right or left and side by side. It works, but it is really curious to me how someone thought this was an improvement.

Aerilius

Many things are a shared decision. Someone decides for you. You decide not to quit your software/OS/platform or whatever. Especially in software development, it is common not to rebuild everything from scratch (aka. from drivers and toolkits) but do high-level programming using components from others on which you have little influence.

marvins_dad

Just downloaded and installed the eval version of Pro.
Then I read this entire thread.

I did notice a lot of talk about large toolbar icons, but no one pointed out that you can turn that feature off...go to the tab.

Also, network licenses are a $150 upgrade. Not to thrilled about that...will have to see if the boss wants to spend that sort of cash.

Still have clipping of the model view in one of my larger models...was hoping the under the hood work would have fixed that. It is a big issue when trying to zoom in to work on details as well as just getting shots of the model.

Guess I have 7hrs and 30 minutes left to figure out if it is worth the upgrade.

For the "Make" version (thinking home) will .stl be available?...mainly doing 3d printing at the house these days.

wyatt

@notareal said:

I might be wrong, but I understand that they actually don't state anything about if it's possible to update SU8 later to SU2014/2015/etc as SU 8 and earlier do not have this annual SketchUp Pro upgrades -program that can expire. Confusing - yes.

Exactly. It would be helpful if a Trimbler could provide clarification.