SketchUp 2013 ;)
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@krisidious said:
You're comparing Sketchup to things it was never supposed to be and whatsmore those things cannot build a set of construction documents for a structure. For pure modelers that are only interested in making games, movies or renders and especially organics then those programs are great, for designing, building in 3D and then documenting for construction they can't compete.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Rhino has a built in Layout feature that is not as robust as the same feature in AutoCAD but it surely is more advanced than SketchUp's Layout. And much as you 'can' create a set of construction documents in SketchUp / Layout I'd hardly say it's the most successful aspect of the program.
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@krisidious said:
I download what slick advertising shows me is worth my time. I don't see anything there that impresses me in the least. one screen shot of a drafting detail that frankly looks quite messy... No words about hatching, 2D detail cataloging, architectural dimension tools and standards. I have an entire process for doing my job in SketchUp and I just migrated that from Autocad in the last year. It took years for me to finally feel comfortable enough to move over. Many drafting programs have come and gone in the years I've been in this industry, none ever beat Autocad. If something is going to get me away from SU now, it's going to have to try harder. If it were some free community built development I might show more interest but big prices and a learning curve for what?
I mean, what is it that SU needs sooo desperately? That is worth that kind of money? Are there 10 Architecture Plugins that make my life infinitely easier like SU? Does Andersen Windows have a plugin for it that gives me components with model numbers? does it have estimation plugins with it? Can I go to google earth and bring in Topo info with it?
That is terribly shallow, but since you are so convinced there not much to say other than, yes it can do pretty much everything all the plugins for SketchUp (free or otherwise) can do -- all built in, and then it is extensible just like SketchUp so you could add custom plugins you want.
If you are happy with the status quo, great -- I don't really care for the status quo, and somebody asked questions regarding options... your ignorance caused you to walk into a bad situation where you are highly underinformed. That's not my fault, nor is your shallow approach... but SketchUp definitely benefits, I'm sure they are counting on sheeple just like you to not rock the boat.
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That's something I'm seeing as I go through the programs Jason mentioned... They all seem to be copying SketchUp quite flagrantly. Calling their respective documentation programs Layout. and the Form.Z even took a page from autocad on their name. AutoDesSys... Hmmm Autodesk Systems?
And again you're talking about $1000 for what? Why would I go and buy any of these for $1000 instead of paying the $95 upgrade here?
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I'm shallow? So then why are you still here? And I take you have no answers for those questions and I would like to see these architectural plugins that they have built in. Like making roofs, making driveways with curbs, doing my framing and such.
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@thomthom said:
@numerobis said:
Extension/Plugins repository/manager, fixing toolbar issues and Layout improvements has been very high up there on the list of requested features among users.
Regarding toolbars, it only allows the toolbars to be one column in width when docked. When the toolbar is not docked, you can drag the edges to configure each toolbar to more than one column, but when you go back to dock it, it reverts to one column. SU8 keeps the configuration you originally set up.
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Form.Z's plugins... http://www.formz.com/support/extensions.html
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@krisidious said:
I'm shallow? So then why are you still here? And I take you have no answers for those questions and I would like to see these architectural plugins that they have built in. Like making roofs, making driveways with curbs, doing my framing and such.
Yes, completely shallow -- and your questions show that clearly. Dynamic Roofs, Doors, Windows, Staircases are just some of the truly fantastic built-in tools specifically for Architectural modeling.
It doesn't need a huge API because practically everything you might need is already built-in.
Instead of getting defensive why not try to educate yourself? Don't get me wrong there are flaws there as well, but they are flaws I find much more agreeable... you mileage may vary (and given our conversation thus far I can guarantee it will).
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"Dynamic Roof, Doors, Windows,"
I see nothing about any of that. all I see is some automatic stairs of which spiral is not included.
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I'm defensive? I'm not the one that is being rude and insulting. soooo... Who is defensive?
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@archheni said:
@thomthom said:
@archheni said:
Every restart will wipe out all non-native plugins and tools..
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What's being wiped out?..All non-native plugins on the customized toolbar.
that's a long standing bug(?) on mac..
you have to open another new window upon relaunch for the ruby icons to appear.that's one of the first things I checked in su2013 and unfortunately, nothing has changed I'm this dept.
(edit) nvmnd.. I didn't read the entire thread prior to responding.. I see there's more talk about this after the post I quoted
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@krisidious said:
"Dynamic Roof, Doors, Windows,"
I see nothing about any of that. all I see is some automatic stairs of which spiral is not included.
Again I refer to the documentation http://www.formz.com/manuals/formz7/!SSL!/WebHelp/formz7.php
Look under specialty tools and you will see spiral staircases.
Really, how long are you going to keep putting your foot in your mouth? I'm starting to feel like a bully here...
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This is what I'm going to do:
Wait and see if I can skip this release and if I can still upgrade to 2014 for the same 95 bucks.
If not I'll switch over to "Form Z" for good.
SU has no 64 bit support, no true curves, frankly no power under the hood for today's work flow. No real circles and arches; No mapping for textures. Layout is a Joke.I'm not wasting even 95 bucks for nothing. Nice try Trimble. Unless there is another release under 2013 that will be more convincing. But I won't hold my breath.
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wow
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"SU has no 64 bit support, no true curves, frankly no power under the hood for today's work flow. No real circles and arches; No mapping for textures."
I don't know about the 64 bit argument... I'm not "informed" enough. But Thom says we really have no need of it. And I trust his judgment. The render crowd has different ideas I think.
As for the no real circles you're right there. I liked Autocad's form of using arc and circle smoothness up to 20,000. But I actually use curved walls in my designs and they are actually built out of straight lines turned... So I kind of like the way curves are already. I can set a number of segments and then keep the wall realistic for planning.
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Well you're the one arguing that it's worth $1000.00 So I just want to know... It does have spiral stairs although, I can't explain it they just looks strange and simplistic. it does have options for one railing. But it builds all the stairs improperly as far as architectural details go. It seems to be making solids. Frankly, I still don't see anything. the roofing is quite rudimentary, looks to be solids. with not much option for detail, none of the plethora of options I have with Vali Architect Tools. None of the Tons of tools in 1001bit Pro. I see nothing that excites me and especially nothing that makes me want to spend $1000.00 and learn a new program.
So will we see you visit the SU 2014 Wish list to tell us what is missing that is so crucial?
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@krisidious said:
I see nothing that excites me and especially nothing that makes me want to spend $1000.00 and learn a new program.
So will we see you visit the SU 2014 Wish list to tell us what is missing that is so crucial?
Well, that falls under the heading of "your mileage may vary" -- the tools are there, and of course they are not going to be as comprehensive as a dedicated 3rd party solution. I don't see solids as being a bad thing, but you do... so we will just have to disagree.
As for SketchUp wish lists, I wasted my time with this while I was teaching tutorial videos for SketchUp 7 and 8... I have no more energy or time to waste with Bacus.
I'm here mostly because I have had a presence here for a while and, while I don't like the way the program has developed, I do value the community that sprang up around it. If there is any true asset that SketchUp has that cannot be matched it is that -- however they are endangering that as well now.
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Will the new "Extensions Warehouse" notify you when there is a plugin update available?
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@krisidious said:
@jason_maranto said:
Other options worth noting are Rhino, MoI3D and Blender...
You're comparing Sketchup to things it was never supposed to be and whatsmore those things cannot build a set of construction documents for a structure. For pure modelers that are only interested in making games, movies or renders and especially organics then those programs are great, for designing, building in 3D and then documenting for construction they can't compete.
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@krisidious said:
I'm shallow? So then why are you still here? And I take you have no answers for those questions and I would like to see these architectural plugins that they have built in. Like making roofs, making driveways with curbs, doing my framing and such.
rhino is pretty robust natively (moreso than su/layout combined) as far as 2D stuff goes:
http://www.rhino3d.com/new/draftingcombined with a plugin such as VisualArq and you'd be set
http://www.visualarq.com.
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Just to lighten the mood a tad, don't make the mistake I did and google for "Rhino Extensions" .
Definitely NSFW!
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I love Sketchup 2013
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