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    • GaieusG Offline
      Gaieus
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      Circles (and polygons and arcs) have "cardinal points". A circle has 4, a hexagon only 2, an octagon 4 again, an arc only has 1 etc.

      When you grab a circle (or polygon) at its cardinal point with the move tool, you can scale it (around its center) and can modify the bulge of an arc this way.

      One cardinal point is always "placed" at the point where you drag out the circle/polygon/arc. The others are distributed evenly (a default circle has 240 segments so the are distributed at 90 degrees to each other).

      When you try to grab another end point on a circle, the whole circle is selected and you will move it rather than scaling.


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      • pilouP Offline
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        And with plugins ๐Ÿ˜‰
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        • GaieusG Offline
          Gaieus
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          And with plugins what, dear Pilou? Steve did something in SU he did not understand. You cannot suggest a plugin instead of telling him what he did! ๐Ÿ˜†

          Gai...

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          • S Offline
            steved
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            Thanks Gaieus, I could only find the points on a circle when I create the circle with a start point on the axis intersection point. When I create one away from that point I am unable to identify any of those points is there any other way to identify them?

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            • GaieusG Offline
              Gaieus
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              Hm. I seem to have been wrong where those points are (when saying that one is what you use to draw the circle with). It seems that the one that is on (or nearest to) the axes.


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              • Dave RD Offline
                Dave R
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                The cardinal points are always located at the points where lines parallel to the axes would cross the edge. Note that it may not be on a vertex or the midpoint of an edge.

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                • S Offline
                  steved
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                  Thanks but have discovered the answer: if you move the cursor around the circumference it highlights the circle in blue however when the curse is moved over a point at which you can scale this way the highlight will momentarily disappear, foolproof and cool but I can only find 2 such points on any cir โ˜€ cle

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                  • Dave RD Offline
                    Dave R
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                    There are four cardinal points. Draw a circle dragging the radius so it is parallel to an axis. This will make finding the cardinal points easier. Then hover the Move tool over the vertices at the 12, 3, 6 and 9 positions. Or better, N, E, S and W, since they are called "Cardinal Points".

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                    • Jean LemireJ Offline
                      Jean Lemire
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                      Hi Gaieus, hi folks.

                      @gaieus said:

                      One cardinal point is always "placed" at the point where you drag out the circle/polygon/arc. The others are distributed evenly (a default circle has 240 segments so the are distributed at 90 degrees to each other).

                      I though that default segmentation was 24 for circles ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Just ideas.

                      Jean (Johnny) Lemire from Repentigny, Quebec, Canada.

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                      • S Offline
                        steved
                        last edited by

                        Thanks all, good stuff.

                        "If I agreed with you on that, then we would both be wrong"

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                        • pilouP Offline
                          pilou
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                          @Gaieus

                          @unknownuser said:

                          And with plugins what, dear Pilou? Steve did something in SU he did not understand. You cannot suggest a plugin instead of telling him what he did!

                          @unknownuser said:

                          It was possible to make a perfect cone or truncated cone. Could not do it again

                          Seems he was in pain so seems to me that was the more speedy as emergency! ๐Ÿ˜„

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                          • GaieusG Offline
                            Gaieus
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                            @jean lemire said:

                            Hi Gaieus, hi folks.

                            @gaieus said:

                            One cardinal point is always "placed" at the point where you drag out the circle/polygon/arc. The others are distributed evenly (a default circle has 240 segments so the are distributed at 90 degrees to each other).

                            I though that default segmentation was 24 for circles ๐Ÿ˜‰

                            Just ideas.

                            ah, come on, Jean. that's obviously a typo. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                            Gai...

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                            • Dave RD Offline
                              Dave R
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                              [off:2b45bxhe]Yeah. It's just a typo. The 4 and 0 are really close together on the keyboard. ๐Ÿ˜„[/off:2b45bxhe]

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                              • GaieusG Offline
                                Gaieus
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                                  • Wo3DanW Offline
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                                    @dave r said:

                                    The cardinal points are always located at the points where lines parallel to the axes would cross the edge. Note that it may not be on a vertex or the midpoint of an edge....

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                                    Depending on the number of segments in a circle, there are two or four cardinal points.
                                    a) if the number of segments is uneven then there are only two cardinal points: one is a vertex, the other is the midpoint on the edge opposite to that vertex.
                                    b) if the number of segments is even, then there are four cardinal points. If the number of segments is divisible by four, then all four cardinal points are vertices, equally spread around the circumference.
                                    Otherwise, (even but not divisible by four) there are two cardinal vertices 180 degrees apart and two cardinal midpoints "on edges in between"
                                    This is about the number and how they are spread over vertices and midpoints.
                                    To find the first cardinal vertex (there is always at least one!) on an ungrouped circle in the R/G plane, it is located at the eastmost position on the circumference of the circle, concidering unchanged axes. So the systems axes are important. Not the changed axes.
                                    On circles in other planes and/or in grouped context, just try to find out, I haven't (yet!?).

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                                    • S Offline
                                      steved
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                                      Hi all, just in case the point was lost, the easiest way to locate a point at which to scale the circle is: hover the cursor over and around the circumference of the circle, (with the move function engaged) the points at which the blue circle "clicks off" (turns black) is one of the points at which you can scale the circle.

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