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  • D Offline
    d12dozr
    last edited by 22 May 2012, 15:52

    @unknownuser said:

    .. I think I'm going to try it with clay..

    That's actually a great idea. I just finished a project for a client who made a model out of clay for me to work from for the Sketchup model. He got the clay model as close as he could, then took Top, Side, Front, and Back photos. He took those photos into Photoshop, tweaked them til they were perfect, added dims and specs, and I used those as the blueprints for modeling.

    The final model was 3D printed, and the client was super happy how close it was to his concept. I bet that process halved the cost of the project for him, especially because there was hardly a straight line in the model so conventional plans were hard to make.

    ...a little different situation than yours, but hey, it might help.

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      pilou
      last edited by 22 May 2012, 16:02

      The only thing to think with this crazzy free Sculptris, is make all the symmetric before
      then no symmetric after! πŸ€“
      By Barry Croucher

      http://www.pixologic.com/sculptris/img/img01.jpg

      Frenchy Pilou
      Is beautiful that please without concept!
      My Little site :)

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        jeff hammond
        last edited by 22 May 2012, 16:14

        im not sure sculptris and the like will help me in this situation..

        I guess the shape could be considered organic but not like a body..

        it has to have a consistent thickness and be measurable/build-able. (ie-- drawn in sketchup or rhino)

        clay should be able to help me out.. plus it seems like it might be fun to mess around with πŸ˜‰

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          brookefox
          last edited by 22 May 2012, 16:58

          Give us something more to work with,

          a snapshot of your mind-image,

          carefully cropped.

          ~ Brooke

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            Dave R
            last edited by 22 May 2012, 17:24

            How about if you draw it in sketchUp so we can see it? Maybe someone will be able to help you draw it. πŸ˜„

            Etaoin Shrdlu

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              d12dozr
              last edited by 22 May 2012, 18:00

              Here's the clay my client used: Crayola Model Magic . It was nicer than modeling clay - lighter and cleaner. He says:

              @unknownuser said:

              I would stay away from the Model Magic Fusion. Some of the speckles are too big and nasty. Especially stay away from the Model Magic Fusion Black.

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                solo
                last edited by 22 May 2012, 18:02

                Q: You ever have a shape in your head....?

                A:
                http://1morefilmblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/closeencounters1.jpg

                Looks better made of mashed potatoes.

                http://www.solos-art.com

                If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                • B Offline
                  bmike
                  last edited by 22 May 2012, 18:03

                  this thread sucks without pics.
                  can you post your model or a sketch or something so we can comment on it?

                  oh wait, never mind.
                  what about an MRI scan?

                  πŸ˜‰

                  yeah, i often have shape things stuck in my head, doodled on a napkin, or whatever.
                  sometimes they are far better in my imagination.
                  sometimes far nicer when i work them out in 3d.

                  mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                    pilou
                    last edited by 22 May 2012, 19:13

                    ? πŸ’š

                    http://www.ladepeche.fr/content/photo/biz/2008/02/04/gilles-balmet-test-accrochage-ro_zoom.jpg

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                    Frenchy Pilou
                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                    My Little site :)

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                      Starling75
                      last edited by 22 May 2012, 19:34

                      .. keep it simple πŸ˜‰

                      "Initially, no definite geometry for the shells had been established, but, as work progressed, the shells were developed according to a spherical geometry and we suddenly had a common denominator, the same spherical surface to deal with, with a similar curvature throughout.
                      This was an elegant solution to a construction, which would otherwise have had to be done with a large amount of scaffolding and shuttering, both for the interior and exterior shape of the shells.
                      Now the shells could be sub-divided into ribs, which again could be divided into smaller elements, which could be cast within formwork representing the largest rib entity. Thus it was possible to pre-cast the concrete-shells in smaller pieces and assemble these pieces on location. ..."
                      Jorn Utzon

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                      Sydney Opera House (www.sydneyoperahouse.com)

                      https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MWoj-Pfx3-8/T7vqLdLbCyI/AAAAAAAAE1U/Tj18-TamWgQ/s585/UTZON.jpg

                      http://www.starlingarch.cz

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                      • J Offline
                        jeff hammond
                        last edited by 22 May 2012, 19:38

                        yeah starling.. something more along those lines (not blobby etc)

                        funny you posted that because my shape is spiral as well..
                        actually 2 of them interacting.

                        dotdotdot

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                          gilles
                          last edited by 22 May 2012, 19:47

                          Tell us more, we want to know! πŸŽ‰

                          " c'est curieux chez les marins ce besoin de faire des phrases "

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                            jeff hammond
                            last edited by 22 May 2012, 20:08

                            @gilles said:

                            Tell us more, we want to know! πŸŽ‰

                            I sort of just figured it out on the train..
                            the red line is a helix on its side.. the black is a line along the ground..
                            then theres a surface created between the two..

                            it gets a little more tech than that so it will be functional but I think this is the gist of it..
                            I'll try modeling it a little later..

                            http://db.tt/yLH2k6ZH

                            edit.. so maybe the Dropbox link doesn't embed.. try:
                            http://db.tt/yLH2k6ZH

                            dotdotdot

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                              pilou
                              last edited by 22 May 2012, 20:16

                              Here the image of the Jeff helix tricky project πŸ˜„
                              Jeff_helix.jpg

                              Without more info it's some difficult to see something πŸ˜„
                              Maybe a start ? πŸ˜„

                              http://www.monkeychoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/helice.jpg

                              Frenchy Pilou
                              Is beautiful that please without concept!
                              My Little site :)

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                                Rich O Brien Moderator
                                last edited by 22 May 2012, 20:37

                                Is the helix projecting itself on the ground and this is rotated?

                                Here's my 2 cents....
                                Jeff_Weird_Drawing.skp

                                It's like Being John Malkovich

                                Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp πŸ“–

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                                  brookefox
                                  last edited by 22 May 2012, 20:44

                                  @starling75 said:

                                  .. keep it simple πŸ˜‰

                                  "Initially, no definite geometry for the shells had been established, but, as work progressed, the shells were developed according to a spherical geometry and we suddenly had a common denominator, the same spherical surface to deal with, with a similar curvature throughout.
                                  This was an elegant solution to a construction...
                                  Jorn Utzon

                                  https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MWoj-Pfx3-8/T7vqLdLbCyI/AAAAAAAAE1U/Tj18-TamWgQ/s585/UTZON.jpg

                                  That sounds really nice, but is fairly typical isn't it, as a goal and a practice? Consistent geometry, prefab. ... He's kind of over-blowing it a bit, but certainly a good sell and a wonderful image.

                                  Nice link and read. Thanks.

                                  ~ Brooke

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                                    jeff hammond
                                    last edited by 22 May 2012, 20:58

                                    @rich o brien said:

                                    Is the helix projecting itself on the ground and this is rotated?

                                    Here's my 2 cents....
                                    [attachment=0:3ij5gepn]<!-- ia0 -->Jeff_Weird_Drawing.skp<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:3ij5gepn]

                                    It's like Being John Malkovich

                                    screenshot or SU for iPhone please..
                                    whichever is easiest πŸ˜‰

                                    dotdotdot

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                                      Rich O Brien Moderator
                                      last edited by 22 May 2012, 21:06

                                      Jeffrey_Hammond.png

                                      Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp πŸ“–

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                                        Gaieus
                                        last edited by 22 May 2012, 21:09

                                        I also often have similar shapes in my head, Rich, but my wife keeps slapping me at the back of my head when I do. πŸ˜’

                                        Gai...

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                                          jeff hammond
                                          last edited by 22 May 2012, 21:15

                                          @rich o brien said:

                                          [attachment=0:buqmaum4]<!-- ia0 -->Jeffrey_Hammond.png<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:buqmaum4]

                                          hmm.. maybe that's not it
                                          actually. I think it is but your version has the projected helix rotated too much.

                                          fwiw, the actual shape i need is to be cut out of the surface.. much in the same way the opera house was cut from a sphere.. I just have to figure out some logic behind the main shape so I can figure out how to build this..

                                          fwiw2.. I haven't actually been commissioned to build this thing.. if I can make the model and it ends up being as cool as the original momentofinspiration, then I'm gonna try to sell it. πŸ’š

                                          edit- fwiw3.. the red/black sketched image pilou posted is the top view.. looking at it with that in mind, you'll see the twist I'm (i think) going for..

                                          dotdotdot

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