A new home for SketchUp
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LayOut LayOut LayOut!
As much as I like modeling in SU, I have committed to LO for my documentation. And for the time being, until we 3d print houses and buildings, or have 18" wide, tough book e-ink job site hardy slates - most folks will still rely on paper for development review, site work, submission to other professionals, redlining, etc. etc.There is a huge need to for a simple (but scalable) app that can take 3d and present it in 2d to scale - be it CDs, development review presentations (screen or paper), etc. etc. etc. - take LayOut and make it that app. And if you want, open it up so that your other apps work just as easily as SketchUp with it... site planning, GIS, etc. etc. etc.
LayOut shows us a path to a new way of presenting work for construction / fabrication / presentation. IT is not perfect, and could go a long way to being more user friendly and accurate (and consistent...).
Make if faster, and make the tools work more like SU (same pick sequence, same shortcuts, etc).
Open up some of the tools with drawing wide toggles - i.e. 'detailing mode' would have some preferences that you could toggle - vector rendering, updating of references only when you tell it to, specific layers active (perhaps there can be automatic layer creation for the dimension tool..., with ability to toggle on / off), etc., drawing wide toggle to change rendering mode for a model, better layer control (all off, off on this page, locked), etc.
And make it faster, please. Somehow take advantage of the horsepower of modern machines and make switching pages quicker... right now on large files the page switching lags...
And give us the options of components / groups for certain types of text callouts. Sometimes I really do want to change the same 20 notes in a drawing set, and it would be damned handy it I could change a master callout.
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HOLD THE PHONE GUYS
This is NOT the thread for advanced and needed upgrades to SU.
There already exists one or more threads on that topic.
And many of the foregoing valid suggestions have been raised there,
a few by me, even.
A long time ago.
And in Googles Sketchup forum as well.
And John said he reads all of them.
And nothing changed.
Please put that sort of good stuff in its own topic, or this thread will go way offside and become irrelevant to its original discussion, that of Trimble buying Sketchup and its potential ramifications to SU's future.
OK, I'm off my soapbox........
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@jgb said:
Please put that sort of good stuff in its own topic, or this thread will go way offside and become irrelevant to its original discussion, that of Trimble buying Sketchup and its potential ramifications to SU's future.
me thinks this thread has already been significantly derailed and re-routed and brought back and wandered off again and again.
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@mike lucey said:
I suggested that I collect 5 -6 Wish list items that are high priority and maybe quote them under a new thread for John to take up and comment on.
I will try to collect them here in this post first or you can PM them to me.
+1 for what bmike said!. Layout really is the weakest but very valuable link in the chain. On top of what was said please please please can we have vector hatching!
The most significant improvement in SU would be true arcs, that would move it into real "Pro" territory.
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++++++1 for layout improvements!
Some kind of component/block implementation.
Support for auto fields (auto date, page number, page name, scale, etc)
Improvements in dwg export (better handling of text styles, export layers from sketchup to dwg, convert layout dimensions to dwg dimensions.)
Vector and raster fills (currently limited to solid colors, and no, clipping does not count)
Pdf import in layout for windows
Better compatibility between layout mac and layout windows (currently, text does not render the same in both platforms)
Some kind of plugin/scripting support
A simple way to select items by kind, selection filters (dimensions, vieports, text, etc)
Array copy like in sketchupLayout is the perfect companion tool for sketchup, if you need to generate some kind of dimensioned drawings out of your design.
Santiago
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@jgb said:
This is NOT the thread for advanced and needed upgrades to SU.
I agree with you to a certain extent Joel. But we have been told by the SketchUp Team that they can't comment on the long term policy of SU for the time being at least.
This thread can keep voicing speculation but I don't think it will achieve much.
At least having John B offer some comments on various Wish List items might help to alleviate concerns among the membership as to the direction SU could be taking.
Also I will leave it up to John if he wants to comment on them here or on a new thread.
Mike
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I'm making me a backup copy of SU8 and all my favorite plugins ... just in case.
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@chad3006 said:
I'm making me a backup copy of SU8 and all my favorite plugins ... just in case.
that theory will only work for a year or two on Mac
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@bmike said:
LayOut LayOut LayOut!
honestly, i think it'd be sweet if they gave layout a decent little drafting toolbar.. then an API so a more complete toolset could be made / customized if wanted..
then the ability to send to sketchup..
(or is that asking a lot? ..as in - a serious amount of work to get something like that going? (but i imagine they've (suteam) had a basic prototype of this already? if so, maybe mess around with it a little more)
[EDIT].. for speculation purposes…
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pop out tool bars... (collapsible)
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@unknownuser said:
@chad3006 said:
I'm making me a backup copy of SU8 and all my favorite plugins ... just in case.
that theory will only work for a year or two on Mac
unless you don't do OS updates.OT
iOS isn't backward compatible?
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@starling75 said:
@unknownuser said:
@chad3006 said:
I'm making me a backup copy of SU8 and all my favorite plugins ... just in case.
that theory will only work for a year or two on Mac
unless you don't do OS updates.OT
iOS isn't backward compatible?
not always.. same for OS X.. depends on how the apps are written I guess but I generally have 2-3 apps that need updates upon an (major) OS upgrade
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@dan rathbun said:
How many of you know that IMSI DoubleCAD XT already has purposeful workflow with SketchUp built-in, as well as the same Ruby engine in DoubleCAD Pro ??
I would think.. if there were any "CAD" company interested,.. that it would have been IMSI, rather than AutoDesk.
[off:3rgjop74]Is the free version Ruby scriptable or only the Pro?[/off:3rgjop74]
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@jim said:
@dan rathbun said:
How many of you know that IMSI DoubleCAD XT already has purposeful workflow with SketchUp built-in, as well as the same Ruby engine in DoubleCAD Pro ??
I would think.. if there were any "CAD" company interested,.. that it would have been IMSI, rather than AutoDesk.
[off:3tqa6aad]Is the free version Ruby scriptable or only the Pro?[/off:3tqa6aad]
[off:3tqa6aad]Only the Pro. I did send feedback that they should have a Ruby capable edition for say $100. I made the argument that the $700 Pro edition had features that the hobbyist would not need or wish to pay for.
Also I have not tried v3, .. only played a bit with the last v2. There was a weird thing in which it looked to me like all the API classes within the
Sketchupmodule, got defined within the toplevel (Object.) Do not know if they fixed that in v3.[/off:3tqa6aad] -
@thomthom said:
What worries me here is that I don't see the relevance of what they do with what I'm used with for SketchUp.
Will SU transform into a different type of solution? Will it fragment into specialized editions?Agree TT, but what was the relevance of what Google does (or did) with a company that produces 3D modeling software? I remember being worried/curious about that purchase years ago, but things seemed to have worked out fine since then right?
Having said that, I'm curious/worried too.
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@mike lucey said:
@jgb said:
This thread can keep voicing speculation but I don't think it will achieve much.Mike
I agreed. So here is my best SketchUp wish:
http://youtu.be/TDqbbxwLq7E
An Algebraic Model for Parameterized Shape Editing
It's exactly what I think, Dynamic Components that play as a team. No BIM is needed.For this feature, I could live with whatever issues for a few years
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@findthong said:
@mike lucey said:
@jgb said:
This thread can keep voicing speculation but I don't think it will achieve much.Mike
I agreed. So here is my best SketchUp wish:
http://youtu.be/TDqbbxwLq7E
An Algebraic Model for Parameterized Shape Editing
It's exactly what I think, Dynamic Components that play as a team. No BIM is needed.For this feature, I could live with whatever issues for a few years
Woah! this works!
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All Caps & Bold intended-
TRIMBLE- PLEASE MAKE SU 64 BIT
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FWIW I expect there will be a Sketchup 9 -- both free and payware and that 9 will be the last free version containing any new features (as in: 10 and beyond, if issued as freeware, SU freeware will only have some bug fixes).
Unlike google who just wanted to populate the G-Earth presentation (somehow related to advertising), the new owners want to make some money in the marketplace they serve. I just don't see how that overlaps with giving away freeware for use in any other market.
Whomever is on the SU team yesterday will figure out pretty soon they're not in Kansas anymore and so I expect few to none won't be around in 2 years, probably considerable less.
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@dale said:
@findthong said:
@mike lucey said:
@jgb said:
This thread can keep voicing speculation but I don't think it will achieve much.Mike
I agreed. So here is my best SketchUp wish:
http://youtu.be/TDqbbxwLq7E
An Algebraic Model for Parameterized Shape Editing
It's exactly what I think, Dynamic Components that play as a team. No BIM is needed.For this feature, I could live with whatever issues for a few years
Woah! this works!
And later make this model talk to BIM package and make documents automatically with Tekla.
Few click architecture, with defined architectural library, is almost possible.
It's like architects define buiding elements using their preferred and defined language to get the look applied to buildings, whatver size it is. Remember those Richard Meier house?
So users can use parametric to get the design to meet the look they want faster, with less time on manual modeling.I know one day we would get automation to the ultimate, when production time is 10X -100X better than at the moment.
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